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Soms	w00t
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@Soms	owned?
@Soms	:P
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18:36		mathx changed the topic of #interdictor-chat to: http://nola-intel.org for INFO | THis channel for chatter, go nuts, stay off politics/flamewars or be banned. Vette information in #interdictor if you have something to contribute. HAND.
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@mathx	I CaNt CapITaLiZE
@mathx	haha dork
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@mathx	no no
@mathx	digest is a digest channel
@mathx	3 layers of spew:
@mathx	here in #intel
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@Soms	:P
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Guspaz	So, anybody have any news on the NextGenStats feed? It went password protected a while back. Can't get to it anymore.
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@mathx	HI PEOPLE
@mathx	talk away
@mathx	wow its quiet... how wierd. wonder if this channel is setup wrong.
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18:44	Chimi	looks away from the channel and starts talking.
Dragoniz3r	I'd like to know if they've had to use their ammo at all
@mathx	chimi: haha thanks.
@mathx	just trying to get a handle on SO many people being in irc at once
@mathx	trying to setup a filter system for information
Chimi	lol
@mathx	there's 1000s of us surfing around, lets put the power of the net together
Dragoniz3r	so... who's the interdictor?
@mathx	read the url.
Dragoniz3r	I meant his irc nick
Dragoniz3r	didn't see anyone called interdictor
Chimi	he's jesus of course, come back to save dah world.
Chimi	he's not on irc as far as i know
Dragoniz3r	dang.
osiris_-	Is #interdictor-scanner a live feed?
Amish_Hooker	You have to connect to a feed
osiris_-	Right, I am
Amish_Hooker	http://ev1helps.net:8000 is a good one
Chimi	its not a feed, somones typing it as they listen.
osiris_-	But the scanner itself is live, not from last night or something?
Chimi	yeah, its live
Padathir	feeds are listed in the topic of #interdictor-scanner they are live
osiris_-	Ok, thanks :)
Chimi	maybe seconds/minutes behind
Dragoniz3r	whole lot faster than the livejournal updates
osiris_-	Yeah
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osiris_-	So, I just stumbled on interdictor. are they zipa.com?
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Chimi	they are directnic, i think zipa is in the same building though.. or maybe they are thesa em, not sure
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osiris_-	Oh, ok
osiris_-	Gotcha
Dragoniz3r	how big is their building?
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Chimi	27 stories i think
osiris_-	Its nice to see live updates from people other than just the media
Chimi	yeah
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Chimi	definatly
tamara_	yay, scanner chatter again!
osiris_-	CNN is doing a pretty good job, but all the other channels are awful
Dragoniz3r	yeah... someone _willing_ to use a .45
Amish_Hooker	scanner gets better at night
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tamara_	re cappy
Encapsulate	hoi
Chimi	im not even watching tv
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Dragoniz3r	bah... the news is always biased anyways
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Dragoniz3r	probably blaming it all on bush
Crispy`	Fox News isn't. :P
Crispy`	However, the general public is.
Dragoniz3r	dunno how they can
Dragoniz3r	it's not like he's god
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Crispy`	Oh, they can.
Dragoniz3r	he doesn't control the weather
Crispy`	Tell that to the liberals.
Crispy`	Apparently, this is ALL Bush's fault.
z16bitsega	he found a way to control people's minds and made them stay in NO!
Crispy`	Oh, of course.
Dragoniz3r	no kidding z
Crispy`	osiris_-: CNN needs to stop with those 56k video phones.
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z16bitsega	I knew there were gonna be people somehow finding ways to blame bush for this
Crispy`	And get some real cameras shooting.
Dragoniz3r	Crispy`, are they really up to 56k?
Guspaz	Gah, won't somebody unlock the stats on NextGenStats? Think of the nerds!
Dragoniz3r	thought they were slower than that
Crispy`	Yeah.
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danknerd	Crispy: its NOT BUSH'S Fault, but the effective relief effort is mainly his burden, the leader of any countr, organization, team is the one who the responsibility of action falls upon!
Dragoniz3r	read: get the national guard out and get the marines in.
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InsomniacJack	THat's what the administration is before
InsomniacJack	No one man can run a country
InsomniacJack	for*
Chimi	i thought the marines were in?
InsomniacJack	not before
Dragoniz3r	InsomniacJack: tell that to sadaam
Chimi	or going in
InsomniacJack	heh
Crispy`	danknerd: I can agree with that, but there are people talking about something that happened a few years ago about the levees that's apparently "Bush's fault"
Dragoniz3r	Chimi: hmm... thought it was strictly the army
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Chimi	i dunno. i seen big green truck go in, but i didnt know if it was marines or what. everyone said it was marines earlier
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Chimi	trucks*
osiris_-	There was an interview with a white house administrator earlier, and he said they werent sending the military in because they "didnt want to put them in harms way" and outlined some law that prevented military from working with police, unless martial law was declared
InsomniacJack	True, Saddam did have a pretty tight hold on Iraq, but I get the impression that he was incredibly paranoid and rarely slept.
Dragoniz3r	eh... marines love target practice
danknerd	Crispy: There are reports, that funding was cut by 44% (72.1 million dollars) for the levee's, this money was diverted to the Iraq War
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18:55	Dragoniz3r	looks at InsomniacJack's name
Dragoniz3r	InsomniacJack: are you trying to imply something about yourself?
Crispy`	danknerd: Ok, but honestly I bet when that was going on none of us here cared about the levees.
InsomniacJack	I'm a former Insomniac.  If you had the name "Insomniac Jack" for ten years, and then you overcame your insomnia, would you change your screen name to "Former Insomniac Jack?"
Dragoniz3r	no
danknerd	Crispy: I agree with you on that!
InsomniacJack	It just doesn't have the same ring to it
Dragoniz3r	on the other hand, I probably wouldn't associate insomnia with dictators while wearing that name
thechad	question: If you werent spending well over a hundred billion dollars on sending the price of oil through the roof, dont you think $20bn in aid would be a little more palatable to bring it down as soon as possible? (iraq / new orleans) - the reason people are drawing the comparrisson is because they are the two biggest stresses on the nation at the moment
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Dragoniz3r	thechad: we need more refineries
InsomniacJack	But, actually, yes, I am fairly paranoid, but nowhere near as much as a tyrant has to be.  He was constantly afraid his closest advisers would have poison on their hands, or be plotting some other way of doing away with him, and then there's that picture of him on a little yacht with a dozen look-alikes dressed the same as him
Dragoniz3r	not more oil
thechad	Anyone that says "Bush caused this" is an idiot, but when a country is so stretched, when something like this comes along how is it supposed to help itself?
Crispy`	This is no one's fault.
thechad	Dragoniz3r: true
Dragoniz3r	InsomniacJack: it was probably true
Crispy`	The emergency crews are doing the best they can.
InsomniacJack	Yes, heh, it probably was
Guspaz	Hmm, it actually looks like the reason why the NextGenStats are suddenly password protected is because somebody paid for a subscription for them. While I'm sure that's a nice gesture, it also means that everybody is locked out now.
InsomniacJack	And that's why I mentioned it.
silver_whisper	There's no way Bush could have caused it, obviously, but scientists were warning for years that this would happen without upgrades and repairs to the levee system. And it all went unheeded.
InsomniacJack	You have to be extreme to control a country on your own
Crispy`	Honestly, so many more people would be evacuated if these people with guns weren't shooting our guards and helicopters.
thechad	Crispy`: yeah I dont actually believe any more money would help the situation right her and now
Guspaz	Curses, obsessive stats watchers like me need them.
Dragoniz3r	on the other hand... the scientists (or at least the german ones) are saying it's all because of global warming
thechad	Dragoniz3r: It will increasingly be a factor
Dragoniz3r	correct me if I'm wrong here...
danknerd	Global warming is an issue, but is NOT directly responible for Katrina, maybe slighty indirectly
thechad	What is the 5 year average increase in the water temp in teh Gulf of Mexico for the last 50 years?
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Dragoniz3r	but hurricanes form when big pockets of hot air meet big pockets of cold air at sea, rigth?
Dragoniz3r	global warming says the earth is heating up
Dragoniz3r	so it's not really gonna cause more violent storms
Encapsulate	What are those two cars doing on the cam?
Dragoniz3r	or more of them
Crispy`	the earth has been heating up since it was formed. :\
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Padathir	mating ritual
18:59	Dragoniz3r	points to the ice ages
Crispy`	Ice ages are spurts of cold.
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Crispy`	Obviously it's heating if all the ice melted.
Dragoniz3r	Crispy`: yes...
tamara_	man
Dragoniz3r	but the ice came from somewhere
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tamara_	watching half of a convo in #interdictor is irritating!
Crispy`	But it's melted now, right?
Dragoniz3r	yeah
thechad	we havent always been able to inhabit it Crispy` ;) ... anyway....rather off-topic and pointless :p
solcita	Sorry, tamara_. It's too crazy otherwise.
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Crispy`	Yeah.
Dragoniz3r	but the scientists warn about the next ice age all the time
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tamara_	heh no worries - i just find myself getting curious :)
Dragoniz3r	I say they're all asshats who need to say something (anything) to get a research grant
Nite_Hawk	tamara_: heh, sorry about that. ;)
hoks	does people manually type in the -scanner chan or some kind of voice recognition software ?
19:01	solcita	grins.
solcita	hoks: it's manual transcription
thechad	what happens if people on the street hear things like "there's fuel at xxx location" on a scanner? try to beat rescuers there?
hoks	jesus christ ...
solcita	yeah.
hoks	we got some good monkey here :)
tamara_	i miss fuel3 :<
Chimi	monkeys are cool.
princessfroz	what are people going to do with fuel when all the cars are floating?
thechad	haha.... well not all are
hoks	http://nolapics.stfunoob.com/DSC_9444.JPG
hoks	thats just ..........................
Chimi	yes, i do too. :( fuel3! <3
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simmons	holy crap.  i'm looking at some incredibly detailed NOAA satellite images (or maybe it's arial photography) and it took me a second to realize that the debris in the water near Bay Saint Louis was the bridge where US-90 used to be:   http://ngs.woc.noaa.gov/storms/katrina/24334580.jpg  (warning: very large image)
thechad	maybe they could fit them with surfboards...? :p
tamara_	oooh
tamara_	afk to let cnn SHOCK ME.
princessfroz	:| @ cnn
thechad	lol
princessfroz	there is a flash cartoon
Crispy`	"When the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail."
Crispy`	Great quote.
princessfroz	of some sort of animal basically taking reporters to task for reporting and not helping people save lives
princessfroz	its in the comments on the blog
Dragoniz3r	Crispy`: the nails wouldn't be a problem at all. The screws would be sticky though
Crispy`	:P
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princessfroz	has anybody looked at the lost and founds on craigslist?
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@Soms	No? For a set of list ford truck keys
princessfroz	nah
Padathir	reporters trying to save people would prolly get more of them killed =p
princessfroz	they're hosting lost and founds for missing people
Dragoniz3r	Padathir: amen.
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Pretty_Generic	conspiracy theorists are saying that there were no jews in New Orleans in the SPECIFIC decade that Katrina struck. Coincidence?
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princessfroz	what?
princessfroz	lol
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Dragoniz3r	Pretty_Generic: no. Direct result of everything that gets done in NO
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Arken	Hello
princessfroz	is anybody else hearing a loop of the same piece of scanner talk?
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@Soms	hiya
ProcrasT8	conspiracy theorists are saying that there were no aliens in New Orleans in the SPECIFIC decade that Katrina struck. Coincidence?
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kampf	Soms: is someone updating the wiki with this new channel?
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Diorama	Hello people
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+Soms	Yes
kampf	thank you
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Kensey	conspiracy theorists also say there are aliens living and working under Denver International Airport.
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Arken	What, there aren't?
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+Soms	not aliens
hoks	conspirary theorist also say that all looter are blacks
+Soms	gargoyles
Arken	Damn it.
jonesaholic	OMG WTF IS THE POINT
Chimi	aliens are living in my basement.
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jonesaholic	you now have one channel with nothing being posted. just close it already
Dragoniz3r	conspiracy theorists say the CIA invented aids
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Diorama	There was a house in new orleans, they called the rising sunŠ
Kensey	Chimi: do you find the residual slime is hard to get off bathroom tile?
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Encapsulate	There was a conspiracy post saying that the govt. busted a hole in the levees to save Uptown
Chimi	Kensey: yes, very hard. ;{
jonesaholic	i thought the boys on dluv had a power trip going
Encapsulate	since they did that in the 60s once
Kensey	I heard orange juice works well, I might have to try that.
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Chimi	ah thanks, i'll try it later
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elfn	ventrilo, anyone?
Dragoniz3r	Chimi: is the alien hot?
Chimi	nay.
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Kheirag	There's more validity to a lot of what are generally considered "conspiracy theories" than most people think.
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Kheirag	Except for the moon landings.  Those are horseshit.
Insder	Damn it, stop doing that to channels
danknerd	there is a difference between a conspiracy and a conspiracy theory
elfn	most are ultimately invalid, though
Pretty_Generic	What are voodoo ops that they keep mentioning on the radio? Why are they using voodoo ops?
JDiver	Time to bring in gun ships to restore law and order
Dragoniz3r	JDiver: won't work
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Dragoniz3r	it's not like our troops can fire anyways
Crispy`	I'm sorry but this is all the residents of NO's fault.
Crispy`	Not all of them.
Dragoniz3r	they shoot a civilian and they don't see daylight again
Crispy`	The ones with the guns.
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elfn	i have a ventrilo server setup with capacity for up to 50 people if you guys want to use it
will-h	it could happen in any town tbh
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Arken	I think they are saying Voodoo like they say Alpha, Whiskey, Foxtrot, etc... V Ops...
Chimi	just bring in a group of 100 people eah with rpg's. thatll scare them damn people off.
Dragoniz3r	Crispy`: no, it's all of their fault
Kheirag	danknerd: And what is that?  When the mainstream press catches on?
Dragoniz3r	they're the idiots who lived on the seashore
Crispy`	No.
Crispy`	You can't fucking SAY that.
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Crispy`	You don't realize.
Crispy`	It's cause you don't live here.
Dragoniz3r	ehm... rhetorical?
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Crispy`	I live in Miami.
Dragoniz3r	no, I'm _not_ saying that
Dragoniz3r	t'was sarcasm
Crispy`	..
solcita	gawd, he's barely giving them a chance to answer before he repeats again.
JDiver	After watching this, I am rethinking my personal stockpile of supplies for disasters....   I think I will order a few thousand more rounds of ammo
Crispy`	Yeah, sure.
will-h	best get a mortar or two JDiver as well
Dragoniz3r	JDiver: excellent idea
Chimi	JDiver: i suggest you get a cheese laser too.
Dragoniz3r	do you have a weapon with which to shoot it?
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Crispy`	It was like this after Andrew too.
Crispy`	Just not as bad.
Encapsulate	Holy Crap, I want to work for Directnic
19:13	will-h	snogs vashti
Encapsulate	Those guys are awesome.
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vashti	will!
Chimi	ditto
Dragoniz3r	Crispy`: I bet it happens after every tornado
will-h	:D
Crispy`	LJ Update....if that's not old news
Encapsulate	They're in ground 0 of the apololypse, and they're making sure payroll gets done.
GreasyBoy	Anyone been listening to the firefeeds.com NO feed?
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hoks	what they are saying ?
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GreasyBoy	Not much now. It's gone strangely silent
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vashti	what were they saying?
Dragoniz3r	GET THE FUCKING MARINES IT
pthree	it's 7:17 there, probably getting close to dusk?
Dragoniz3r	IN*
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19:15	Dragoniz3r	shrugs
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GreasyBoy	Been active all day with general info, troop movements, requests for assistance.
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princessfroz	sunset is at 7:22...
Chimi	its 6:15 there actually
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MaoistBanker	Dragon, our defense department refuses to
Dragoniz3r	MaoistBanker: no doubt
will-h	legalities i guess
Crispy`	They can't go in.
Crispy`	Cause people will SHOOT them.
princessfroz	makes no sense to me
Dragoniz3r	they'd rather that 100 people starve/drown than to have 1 accidently shot
Crispy`	No.
will-h	most of the louisiana national guard are in iraq, right?
Dragoniz3r	Crispy`: we do give them guns for a reason
MaoistBanker	it keeps blame nice and compartmentalized on a state level
Crispy`	It's not that they'd rather it happen.
Crispy`	It's that it HAS to happen.
Dragoniz3r	what're the gun-control laws like down there?
Dragoniz3r	do they have "safer bullets"?
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danknerd	use tasers?
Dragoniz3r	or whatever they call them nowadays
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hoks	i cant wait until its night
rcaston	so what is happening in new orleans?
Kheirag	I think you get one in the mail when you turn 18.
hoks	no the fun gonna start
JDiver	what do you mean saferbullets?
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Crispy`	If they were to shoot someone, that would would be discharged from the military, and America would be looked at as degenerates.
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Dragoniz3r	JDiver: dunno.. big phrase the liberals used 5 years ago
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princessfroz	safe bullets are rubber balls i think
princessfroz	stun not kill
MaoistBanker	right now they need some of those non lethal crowd deterrents that the army has been developing
Crispy`	that person*
MaoistBanker	ie. the heat wave
JDiver	oh.... bean bags you mean
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MaoistBanker	a beam attached to a hummer that heats the cells right below the skin
rcaston	they need to shoot any looter taking anything other then food and essentials.
Crispy`	They need to shoot these people with the guns.
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JDiver	not a large enough supply of them prolly...
Crispy`	It's their fault things aren't getting done.
MaoistBanker	it's incredibly painful, the ongest anyone has stayed in the beam is 4 seconds
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Dragoniz3r	Crispy`: you just said they can't.
Crispy`	But we can't, cause it's..."not right"?
Dragoniz3r	of course not
rcaston	what beam?
MaoistBanker	but it would take hours of exposure to cause even a sunburn
Crispy`	I said they can't from a legal POV, not my POV.
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Dragoniz3r	criminals shouldn't be punished
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MaoistBanker	rcaston, the army's heat wave
Dragoniz3r	we should _understand_ them
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MaoistBanker	popular science did a piece on it about a year ago
Dragoniz3r	try to "understand" why they did it
Crispy`	Dragoniz3r: Nice Liberal talk. ;D
Dragoniz3r	then put them in jail for 20 years
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MaoistBanker	the author actually experienced the beam first hand
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Dragoniz3r	but let them out after 5 because "they were nice in jail"
rcaston	understand rape, murder, and theft... gotcha..
enwilson	ooooookay, so we reorganized the reorganization of the channels?
Kheirag	Dragon: I agree with that, even though it sounds like you're being sarcastic.
Dragoniz3r	and because "they're sorry"
Dragoniz3r	oh I'm being extremely sarcastic
Kheirag	Of course.
princessfroz	speaking of in jail
Dragoniz3r	get the m-16's out and blow the mup
Dragoniz3r	them up*
mcsmurf	but i really don't get it why people shoot at the people wanting to rescue them
princessfroz	what have they done with the prisoners?
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Crispy`	We SHOULD be KoS these people with the guns.
Crispy`	However, we can't.
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Dragoniz3r	mcsmurf: cuz they wanna loot
SleepingProphet	it doesnt make sense..
Kheirag	That attitude is the cause of more problems than it solves.
danknerd	and then..
rcaston	is is true the thugs from new orleans have not started stealing and car jacking in Baton Rogue?
MaoistBanker	mcsmurf, they are experiencing power for the first time in their lives and want to grab onto it
rcaston	er Rouge.
SleepingProphet	sounds like the whole concept of martial law is being drug out..
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princessfroz	mcsmurf: there are a lot of people that have go down with the ship mentality
MaoistBanker	realize, these people don't know what is going on
rcaston	not=now
MaoistBanker	no broadcasts
MaoistBanker	no loudspeakers
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Crispy`	Kheirag: So, not as much as you'd think.
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@michaelloftis	i don't know about KoS for just having a gun heh
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Pretty_Generic	The scanner is playing a latino beat
19:19	Encapsulate	dances with glowsticks to scanner techno.
Crispy`	Due to these people with guns, less and less people are being saved.
pthree	beeping = mirrors re-syncing?
Dragoniz3r	guns solve 99% of problems
Crispy`	michaelloftis: Sorry, for SHOOTING a gun.
thechad	lol
19:20	Pretty_Generic	drops an e
silver_whisper	Oh, that's intelligent.
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rcaston	their idea of power is theft and murder? .. hah
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Dragoniz3r	rcaston: don't forget the rape
@michaelloftis	heh that i can agree to under many/most circumstances
thechad	Question: The engineers are saying that it will take 6 months to pump the water out of the city....
hoks	<Pretty_Generic> ... i am puzzled why its not a RAP beat
@Amish_Hooker	main strem did not go down.  the scanner guy must be programming or something
pthree	rcaston have you heard rap?
mcsmurf	personally i would say, i can understand the people stealing food, water and clothes
princessfroz	a coworker of mine doesn't know where his dad is because of the go down with the ship mentality
thechad	Time to move New Orleans?
hoks	to entertain the looter
@michaelloftis	at this point if you were down there, you'd want/need one for self defense.
SleepingProphet	this is what we have come to without a source of authority
mcsmurf	what goes above that, hm...
rcaston	New Orleans needs to NOT be rebuilt.
MaoistBanker	rcaston, implausible
[1]diclophis	word to that
Dragoniz3r	rcaston: yup. It'll sink in 15 years anyways
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princessfroz	how many billions would it take to rebuild?
Pretty_Generic	Neo Orleans
princessfroz	for it to all happen again?
hoks	too much
Cheebo	how many channels are they going to shut down?
rcaston	New Orleans is gone.
mcsmurf	yeah ;)
MaoistBanker	it would cost the same to rebuild a town anywhere else
Crispy`	Why shouldn't New Orleans be rebuilt?
vashti	I think it will be rebuilt now, then this will happen again down the line.
mcsmurf	they just build a new one or so?
rcaston	crispy: why should it?
kow|wk	SleepingProphet, if you look, throughout history, humanity is virtually ALWAYS violent without a central authority structure.
AtomicPile	what is that beeping/
Dragoniz3r	Crispy`: because it is gonna sink in the near future
mcsmurf	Crispy`: the same could happen AGAIN?
rcaston	there are no homes, there are no jobs, no commerce.
SleepingProphet	perhaps it would be the final pressure finacially to back outta foreign war.
Crispy`	rcaston: Cause it's where people lived, it's where people made livings.
silver_whisper	Anyone who says it shouldn't be rebuilt has never been there, and therefore does not understand.
pthree	build it on stilts and piers
nec	and if we don't rebuild in all the places that have natural disasters, then we have no country left.
ithil	Rebuilding it in the same place might make it a little difficult to convince people to move back ;p
Chimi	alot. and by the time its ready to be rebuilt.. claned up and such. how many people will have not gotten jobs and homes elsewhere
Encapsulate	It would cost more to build a new town from scratch.
mind21_98	Someone shouldn't have restricted funding for the levee projects.
MaoistBanker	those of you assuming that new orleans won't be rebuilt, where do you plan on moving over a million people?
pthree	like the netherlands or venice
rcaston	there is no point to rebuild it other then to get the Port working again
Crispy`	mcsmurf: Where do you live?
hoks	New Orleans look like Haiti
Padathir	natural disasters happen everywhere
Crispy`	rcaston: Where do you live?
princessfroz	they won't be able to make livings there for a while im afraid
Dragoniz3r	why aren't we getting oil from alaska?
mcsmurf	if it matters, somewhere in Europe
Padathir	if people never rebuilt, eventually we'd run out of cities :p
pthree	MaoistBanker iraq!
Encapsulate	It's easier to rebuild the already engineered infrastructure of phones, and power
princessfroz	do not
rcaston	Crispy: people need to move then
Kheirag	It could have been protected from this sort of thing with a multi-billion-dollar public works project...
princessfroz	get me started on anwr
mind21_98	NOLA got through it fine, it's just the levees that broke that's causing hell
mcsmurf	that's  detailed enough for you :)
MaoistBanker	Dragoniz3r, OIL SUPPLY IS NOT THE PROBLEM
Encapsulate	than to start from scratch andcreate more
MaoistBanker	WE HAVE OIL
Crispy`	mcsmurf: Then you're POV isn't even an educated one.
MaoistBanker	we have no way to turn it into gasoline
Crispy`	I live in Miami.
Padathir	refineries are the problem
rcaston	Crispy: it's not fair that my federal tax dollars will rebuild a city that will just get destroyed again
danknerd	i have an interesting idea for rebuilding NOLA: Build a massive pillar platform and place buildings on it so that both natural delta flooding of the mississippi and storm surges can flow underneath the platform
Dragoniz3r	MaoistBanker: yeah... I just said that 15 minutes ago
rcaston	i refuse to pay for their stupidity.
SleepingProphet	obviously we have had the oil
MaoistBanker	So there is NO POINT in drilling in Alaska
mcsmurf	ooh i'm from Europe, i must be stupid!
mcsmurf	get a live
Dragoniz3r	MaoistBanker: wrong.
Crispy`	rcaston: Those cities on the coasts are doing more good than evil.
Dragoniz3r	absolutely wrong.
mind21_98	build NOLA on stilts!
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mind21_98	:)
will-h	just look at what the dutch have been doing
MaoistBanker	other than destroying acres of wildlife
Crispy`	mcsmurf: No, not stupid.
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Dragoniz3r	we wouldn't have to _buy_ our oil, if we _drilled_ our oil
will-h	they know more about this stuff than any other country
Crispy`	ignorant, I meant to say.
thechad	MaoistBanker: Explain the price of brent crude at the moment
Encapsulate	Haha Raise Nola to an Altitude of 100FT above Sealevel
Encapsulate	on a giant steel platform
Crispy`	mcsmurf: I meant ignorant.
mcsmurf	Crispy`: so why should the same NOT happen again?
princessfroz	there are refineries
JDiver	the dutch are not on sinking ground.. NO is
voodoo_in_tx	if anderson cooper weren't gay, and i weren't married, i'd marry him right now.
MaoistBanker	Dragon, we have maybe 100 million barrels in Alaska at MOST
thechad	Crispy: a) After 6 months under water nothing will be worth salvaging b) It will happen again c) it will sink
mcsmurf	it doesnt make sense to rebuild there
princessfroz	hell i lived 5 miles from one when i lived in AK
will-h	JDiver: think again
princessfroz	just no way to get it down
MaoistBanker	Saudi Arabia has 236 billion barrel
Dragoniz3r	MaoistBanker: ROFLMAO
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Dragoniz3r	read the news buddy
rcaston	New Orleans == "Cholera Gumbo"
Arken	Hey MaoistBanker. LTNS.
nec	rcaston, then shut down all of California and Alaska for earthquakes, all the places that get hurricanes, and all the places that get tornadoes. What is left after that?
Crispy`	mcsmurf: I'm not saying it'll not happen again, I'm saying people are acting like getting up leaving and just forgetting about it is really easy.
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Padathir	utah
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SleepingProphet	caspian sea has 500 billion
Crispy`	I live in Miami, we get hurricanes all the time.
Padathir	:)
thechad	lol.... trust him to leave
will-h	i was driving around .nl last month, seen their dykes
Arken	Oh well.
[1]diclophis	seriusoly, arnt all the highways that go over the levees broken?
Crispy`	It's not like we go "OH HURRICANES? IM MOVING, LATER."
19:23	Lyssia	lives in .nl
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Crispy`	These people can't just "move"
pthree	[1]diclophis yes
princessfroz	if i can recall
Crispy`	They have careers, homes, families.
rcaston	Nobody else lives below sea level in a bowl surrounded by water on ALL SIDES.
princessfroz	homestead didn't really get rebuilt after andrew
kow|wk	lol midget cajun
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nec	rcaston - where do you live
Crispy`	rcaston: THEY do.
JDiver	crispy thay don't ahve them anymore
Kensey	Crispy: has Miami ever taken a near-direct hit while you lived there?
mcsmurf	well homes, not anymore...
[1]diclophis	nor did chernobyl
Crispy`	Kensey: I lived through Andrew.
princessfroz	Andrew
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BasharTeg	yeah and in MIami we're supposed to feel sorry for you when the mobile homes get blown around every year
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ithil	heh, I live in Utah right now and when we get the next big earthquake Salt Lake City is going to be screwed
mcsmurf	:D
Crispy`	BasharTeg: No.
voodoo_in_tx	nec i'm thinking about your question and i think we'd all be living in.......north dakota?
Padathir	ithil: me too
BasharTeg	same for the people who live on the mississippi river and get flooded every year
princessfroz	the problem with NO is that its a bowl
BasharTeg	if you live somewhere stupid, MOVE
nec	nah they have tornadoes and winter storms
Kensey	there is no "safe" place to live in the US
BasharTeg	You can be poor anywhere!
Crispy`	BasharTeg: You act like it's easy.
Crispy`	EXACTLY.
Padathir	problem is there's no safe places
BasharTeg	We have poor people here in San Diego!
Crispy`	Kensey is right.
ithil	disasters are everywhere, but some places are definitely more disastery than others
SleepingProphet	well shit
Crispy`	There's no safe places to live.
voodoo_in_tx	and the problem with florida is that it's a coast, and the problem with california/nevada/northern coastal states is that they're on faultlines
pthree	BasharTeg hahahaha
SleepingProphet	define safe
Crispy`	So you people want to just move, and that's it.
kow|wk	Guys, stay off the flamebait topics.  see /topic
mind21_98	Montana.
princessfroz	okay
BasharTeg	I've never seen a dead body here in San Diego, define safe
nec	rcaston apparently lives in TX, where there are tons of tornadoes, and places have to be rebuilt all the time. ever been in a tornado rcaston?
voodoo_in_tx	and the problem with houston is that it's on a coast, and boston/new york/etc...coast
princessfroz	NO is a bowl
mind21_98	Besides the blizzards you'd be in okay shape.
princessfroz	and a coast
Crispy`	BasharTeg: How about after an earthquake, you move.
kow|wk	If you have a point to make, make it, don't be a dick about it.
Kensey	you got active volcanoes, hurricanes, blizzards, noreasters, earthquakes, droughts, tornadoes, disease-carrying vermin, etc.
voodoo_in_tx	BasharTeg you've missed earthquakes then there?
Dragoniz3r	I say we all go live in ohio.
rcaston	Nec: a Tornado has never destroyed a entire major city.
princessfroz	what happens with bowls? they fill up with liquid quickly
voodoo_in_tx	ohio= flooding/tornados
Dragoniz3r	nothing ever happens in ohio
hoks	breaking: all scanner have been jammed with rap music
nec	ohio has tornadoes  too
BasharTeg	How many eathquake deaths have we had here in San Diego?
Dragoniz3r	oh. dang. You're right.
voodoo_in_tx	drove through ohio floods in 1990
rcaston	New Orleans is GONE, there are no homes, no commerce, no JOBS.. it's dead.
Dragoniz3r	alaska then.
Crispy`	BasharTeg: It doesn't matter.
Padathir	ohio can have some interesting storms
BasharTeg	Oh, wait, none in my lifetime to speak of
BasharTeg	hahahaha
Crispy`	There's property damage right?
nec	I used to storm spot in ohioh
princessfroz	don't live in alaska..its boring
rcaston	why go back to N.O. you'd have no JOB.
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voodoo_in_tx	alaska - earthquakes and oh, friggin COLD?
princessfroz	good hunting and fishing though
BasharTeg	it doesnt' matter that our earthquakes aren't fatal
kow|wk	BasharTeg: Remember that big ole fire 2 years ago?
Crispy`	BasharTeg: How about the people who's homes were desroyed, they should just move out of California.
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Dragoniz3r	princessfroz, it's boring because no disasters happen.
Crispy`	Forever.
voodoo_in_tx	and oil tanker disasters and tsunamis <-- alaska
nec	I saw 2 tornadoes in OH while I lived there
princessfroz	no
Dragoniz3r	life only gets interesting when stuff goes wrong.
BasharTeg	yes, I was here for the big old fire, we all drove around and checked it out
Crispy`	You know, cause there are earthquakes and they are stupid for staying.
BasharTeg	we weren't dying in the streets
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voodoo_in_tx	they just don't get reported cause only like, 1 person per 10 sq miles
thechad	Crispy`: You stay.... the other 98% will go "Fuck this" cause they're not as "hard" as you
princessfroz	its boring because there are only 50,000 people in the second largest city
SleepingProphet	i dont see how california could considered safe by anystandards anyway
Dragoniz3r	everything is gonig wrong with the directnic guys, and here we all talking about it
BasharTeg	Crispy: We're talking about fatal natual disasters
SleepingProphet	huge crime rate due to illegals
princessfroz	<---lived there
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princessfroz	for 13 years
Crispy`	BasharTeg: I'm talking about property damage.
SleepingProphet	and they arent held responsible for their actions due to be ..illegals
pthree	whats going wrong with teh directnic guys?
voodoo_in_tx	BasharTeg just because sandiego has, thusfar, avoided being massively hit? doesn't mean it's not vulnerable
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BasharTeg	Earthquakes haven't destroyed any of the homes I've lived in for the past 26 years
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BasharTeg	Amazingly
nec	earthquakes suck. my mom moved me there when I was 14 and then I was there for a 6.5, which isn't super bad, but it destroyed a lot of stuff =\
Crispy`	Lots of people who own homes now in NO and left, don't anymore.
BasharTeg	Never broken anything I consider valuable
Crispy`	BasharTeg: Where you've lived.
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BasharTeg	Where I've lived, here in San Diego
voodoo_in_tx	BasharTeg you're very very lucky
spectros	k, here is wherre we can talk...
thechad	heh...
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rcaston	new orleans need to be abandoned, for good - after this.
voodoo_in_tx	but it IS inevitable
BasharTeg	I've never heard of anyone with any serious property damage
Crispy`	But you're saying that anyone who lives in a place where there could be a natural disaster, they should just move.
kow|wk	So you're 26 years old and you're here to tell us all how much you know about natural disasters.
princessfroz	if they rebuild NO, i hope that they take the opportunity to try to build it up to sea level
SleepingProphet	i was in oregon when that 6 pointer hit seatle
thechad	Allah 1, Infidels 0
Crispy`	Or else they're stupid.
SleepingProphet	felt the aftershock
voodoo_in_tx	BasharTeg you live with your head in a bag?
SleepingProphet	the concept of abandoning any major city in the US is ridiculous
BasharTeg	I'm telling you that for 26 years, San Diego has been pretty safe, especially if you set the standard by all these people who get screwed every damn year by disasters
SleepingProphet	there will always be someone who wants it
ithil	The difference between NO and other disasters in the US in the last century is that NO is completely flattened
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princessfroz	meanwhile...whats happening to all the above ground crypts in NO?
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nec	rcaston - then don't live there if you have an issue with it, but there are thousands of us that are ready and willing to help rebuild
kow|wk	There you have it, ladies and gentlemen, the 26 year old knows everything there is about what it means to have a home, a place you feel you belong, and attachments to a location.
SleepingProphet	ok big deal
ithil	it's not a question of abandoning NO, it's a question of going back :p
Crispy`	BasharTeg: So you're the only smart one?
joebob	NO is not flattened
thechad	SleepingProphet: You dont get someone at the top going "alright, everyone leave" you simply get mass exit
joebob	the skyscrapers are foot dry still
BasharTeg	Did I make any statement about my intelligence?  Am I the only person here?
ithil	San Francisco got pretty fucked up in 1906 too
Crispy`	BasharTeg: You act like people moved to the places they lived like "OH MAN HURRICANES HIT HERE? IM SETTING UP SHOP!"
ithil	speaking figuratively, joebob
rcaston	nec: you can rebuild it if you want, but please do not take any federal money .. thanks.
princessfroz	well
pthree	who's this guy offering to resuce people?
Excedrin	BasharTeg: right on
joebob	well that kind of rhetoric can whip people up
pthree	did he say if he was airplane, driving or what?
BasharTeg	Crispy: It would only take my house getting wrecked once to decide to move somewhere else.
rcaston	i refuse to pay for stupidity.
JDiver	SFO was not a total loss in 06 though.... NO is a total write off
princessfroz	if they rebuild it, it will be a home buyers market
princessfroz	real estate will be dirt cheap
19:29	nec	ignores that statement
BasharTeg	Especially if these hurricanes aren't rare
BasharTeg	And obviously are dangerous
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Crispy`	BasharTeg: I dunno how you could decide that, as it hasn't happened.
SleepingProphet	you refuse to pay for stupidity?
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BasharTeg	I'm not saying they were dumb to be there before
Crispy`	But ok.
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BasharTeg	I'm not saying that at all
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SleepingProphet	as if your taxes arent paying for a fucking foreign war of stupidity
nec	the last time nola got hit like this was 40 years ago
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ithil	that's just silly, rcaston, it's not like NO would be the only high-risk area even if it's rebuilt in the exact same place
voodoo_in_tx	BasharTeg http://pasadena.wr.usgs.gov/office/ganderson/es10/lectures/lecture18/lecture18.html and do a ctrl-f for "what about san diego"
BasharTeg	I'm saying I'd leave if I were them, now
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joebob	stretch from NOLA to baton rouge is largest port in US
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@mathx	keep the flames LOW please or be kb'd
@cbarrett	heh
Crispy`	You said they were dumb because they live in a place where hurricanes hit and never expected this to happen.
@mathx	SleepingProphet: keep it down.
Excedrin	BasharTeg: what if your car is underwater? canoe out?
Crispy`	Not a direct quote but the main idea.
princessfroz	what really bothers me about this
@The_Tick	mathx: i'd rather +q folks
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Lyssia	Poverty is a trap, though - from what I've heard, many people in NO just don't have the means to move.
@The_Tick	if at all possible
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joebob	accounts for one fifth of all foreign shipping
SleepingProphet	yada yada sorry
princessfroz	is that hurricane season is just beginning
joebob	NOLA is there to stay
htoucles	The_Tick: op
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BasharTeg	I am talking about after the crisis obviously.  Why would you stay and risk it again?
princessfroz	will NO be able to withstand even a brush from another hurricane?
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voodoo_in_tx	princessfroz not quite, we're in the middle of it. but it's a horrendously active hurrican season
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@michaelloftis	this is wider reaching than just NOLA too
Excedrin	BasharTeg: it costs money to move
Crispy`	BasharTeg: Cause people don't just wanna give up everything like that.
voodoo_in_tx	hurricane season runs may - nov
frostbotond	is the situation getting any better?
nec	florida gets hit multiple times a year. you don't hear people saying we should abandon florida. maybe those of you that think that way can request legislation that will evacuate florida and sell it to cuba and use it as a dump. I never understood how people can be so heartless
Crispy`	It costs to move.
@michaelloftis	remember a LOT of the US refineries are there in that area
SleepingProphet	apparently
pthree	is there a #indictor channel actually talking about the emergency/scanner?
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Hermitty	just beginning?  hurricane season ends november 1.  it's almost over
joebob	if taxpayer money goes into infrastructure, things will be fine
BasharTeg	Crispy: Give up what?  They have nothing left to give up
@ICMB	#interdictor-scanner
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pthree	ICMB +m
Crispy`	BasharTeg: Like, what, a job?
19:31	princessfroz	sits corrected
SleepingProphet	lol
joebob	the Strategic Petroleum Reserve is centered around that area too
Crispy`	Their career.
@michaelloftis	pthree: for chat of all kinds here.
@michaelloftis	-scanner is just a transcript
voodoo_in_tx	BasharTeg most people are not lucky enough to consider moving from where they were born/grew up/live. income prohibits it. it's just econonics
Crispy`	The thing that makes them the money that they need to move to somewhere else?
princessfroz	still i've always been of the mindset that the bigger ones come around later in the season
ronelson	Hermitty: that's still a good 8 weeks. Last year they hit about 5-7 days apart.
BasharTeg	Because the businesses are definately putting people back to work once we move metric tons of water out of the bowl right?
@michaelloftis	which crschmidt is doing a damn fine job
pthree	ICMB that's a transcription, i meant people actually talkign about things happening righ tnow and not all this dickish uninformed philosophy
nec	michaelloftis, good point - you get rid of nola, say goodbye to all your precious oil
joebob	the concept of abandoning NOLA is Ludicrous
@kow|wk	BasharTeg: You're pretty much past my line of what I consider a "troll".  I'd suggest you relax on the obvious flamebait.
@The_Tick	htoucles: you know, i haven't gone on a banning rage in a while, i wonder when i can begin here :P
@michaelloftis	nec: well, not nola in particular, but the gulf area.
Crispy`	BasharTeg: Obviously if everything you have is destroyed, the average person doesn't have the money to just say "Ok, I'm gonna go buy a house here now"
@htoucles	The_Tick: heh
@ICMB	pthree: Ah, sorry. misunderstood.  THis is mostly the place, although a notable event on the scanne will probably be mentioned in the main #interdictor channel
nec	well, yeah, but nola has a lot to do with it
Crispy`	BasharTeg: Not just NO.
Excedrin	BasharTeg: they're not? damn that sucks, my McDonald's job nooooo
Crispy`	People have no money to just "move"
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nec	besides, the damage isn't just in nola - it is in the whole region
pthree	ICMB k. thanks.
BasharTeg	Umm, I'm not a troll because I have a perspective regarding people living in dangerous areas.
Crispy`	Obviously if it's as bad as NO, their jobs were destroyed and don't even have an income now.
@kow|wk	You ask an interesting question: "Why don't people move?" - but referring to the people in insulting manners and your arrogance overall suggests you're more interested in just pounding your own chest, which is unnecessary.
thechad	Crispy`: Ever refrubished a house with a tree through the roof?
princessfroz	Crispy: how much will it cost to just move when they have nothing left to move
Hermitty	ronelson:  4 weeks compared to 4 months
thechad	Its cheaper to build a new house.
thechad	NOBODY is saying that it wont cost
BasharTeg	That's a completely untrue representation of my perspective
SleepingProphet	no sh
Hermitty	er 8 weeks
Crispy`	princessfroz: Try the cost of a place to live?
Crispy`	And new furniture?
@kow|wk	I realize you may disagree, and others may as well, and that's why I haven't banned you as the topic suggests.
Excedrin	BasharTeg: are you prepared to pack up and move if a natural disaster hits your area?
SleepingProphet	its the blatant representation
Dragoniz3r	Crispy`, they don't have an old place to live or old furniture
ithil	you've got that same cost from staying though if your place is gone
ronelson	Hermitty: Sounds like it's 50% over then, not "almost" over :)
princessfroz	they'd have to pay the same amount to start over in NO as they would anywhere
ithil	leave or stay, no place to live
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Dragoniz3r	princessfroz: more.
SleepingProphet	i would stay
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Crispy`	BasharTeg: Do you have enough cash in your bank account right now to say that if you happened to live where a hurricane hits, you have the money to just buy a new house somewhere else and that's that?
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SleepingProphet	i'd load up and have a field day blasting ne one who decided my house was ripe for looting picking..
princessfroz	Crispy: They have to buy new houses anyhow
SleepingProphet	of course after loading up at a few local pharmacies
princessfroz	if your house is underwater, its pretty much gone
ronelson	Crispy` the cost of rebuilding is equal or higher than moving. It's not like they have any collateral for a loan in either case.
frostbotond	is there such a thing as hurricane insurance? or flood insurance? thats what everyone keeps asking me over here in los angeles
ccs|paint	flood insurance yes
voodoo_in_tx	BasharTeg - suppose that earthquake hits you in San Diego, as is probably going to happen at some point. Your house, those of your neighbors, your livelyhood, all now resemble Nola. Legit, honest question here - what would you do, would you leave/stay/rebuild/move? would everyone around you be able to?
ccs|paint	hurricane insurance...?
@The_Tick	frostbotond: yes, there is
Hermitty	ronelson:  2/3's over
Dragoniz3r	frostbotond: I think they call it home insurance
19:35	princessfroz	would move
BasharTeg	Crispy: I have enough money to rent a U-Haul, take what I have left, drive across the country, and put down a deposit on a cheap apartment.
voodoo_in_tx	Frostfox there is, but it's incedibly expensive
Crispy`	princessfroz: If their house is not 100% destroyed it's usually less than buying a brand new house.
joebob	Instead of debating abandonment of a flooded NOLA, we should be asking ourselves why the levees were neglected so the busted
Ravenium	I imagine if you can afford it, you can insure for most anything
@The_Tick	Dragoniz3r: flood insurance is separate
Ravenium	Don't forget the cost of the land it's on too
Dragoniz3r	The_Tick: oh. oops.
voodoo_in_tx	BasharTeg you are very lucky then
princessfroz	how many homes aren't 100% destroyed there? i haven't seen images of all the neighborhoods yet.
joebob	if is was just storm surge, it can be pumped
Excedrin	BasharTeg: where would you move to?
ronelson	joebob: they were built for cat3 hurricanes not cat5 *shrug*
BasharTeg	voodoo: it would have to do with what I thought was the likelihood of it happening again
joebob	but with broken levees you have to fix them before you can dry out
voodoo_in_tx	joebob except the pumps won't work without electricity and they're also blocked with sludge and debris
@ICMB	Better yet, find some portion of the country that doesn't fall prey to natural disasters.  Earthquakes, hurricanes, blizzards, tornados.  Something for everyone.
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Crispy`	princessfroz: 100% destroyed would be completely wiped from all existance. Maybe a few pieces of wood.
SleepingProphet	cat 4 is what hit
BasharTeg	If I thought it was likely to happen again in the not too distant future, I would consider leaving.
@The_Tick	ICMB: the desert!
voodoo_in_tx	BasharTeg considering that, with our current technology, there's no way for you to KNOW when/if that would happen?
frostbotond	can anyone huesstimate how many people dont have insurance in new orleans?
@ICMB	+ heat waves!
frostbotond	guesstimate
voodoo_in_tx	just that there's a chance of it happenning in next 100 years?
joebob	ronelson: yeah but they were budgeted for fixes that never got made
Crispy`	If your house still has structure and some walls, hell even if your house was flooded it'd be cheaper to fix that than buying a whole new house.
@kow|wk	<BasharTeg> yeah and in MIami we're supposed to feel sorry for you when the mobile homes get blown around every year <BasharTeg> same for the people who live on the mississippi river and get flooded every year <BasharTeg> if you live somewhere stupid, MOVE <BasharTeg> You can be poor anywhere!
nec	joebob, also the funding for hurricane preparedness for nola (as well as other places) was reduced in 2003
SleepingProphet	*yawn*
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@kow|wk	I don't think it was an untrue representation at all.
princessfroz	Crispy: The thought of living in a house that was underwater doesn't strike me as a good idea. The mold alone would be outrageous.
Crispy`	kow|wk: Thanks.
joebob	nec: yeah
@kow|wk	If it was, it's because you said it.
SleepingProphet	yup
SleepingProphet	fema was ignored.
Crispy`	princessfroz: FIXING it.
voodoo_in_tx	frostbotond i'm sure there are figures out there about it, but hard to dig up now
SleepingProphet	even tho they hit the marker 2 outta three
nec	kow|wk - they are not all mobile homes - what news are you watching?
BasharTeg	kow|wk: I was making reference to people from Florida as the individual who I was responding to was talking about Miami
Crispy`	Obviously I'm not gonna say live in the house right after it's drained.
princessfroz	Crispy: how do you fix water damage to that level?
joebob	thats the kind of things people need to keep an eye on
princessfroz	what would be the cost?
BasharTeg	And people who live in those places and get destroyed every year, are stupid
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nec	(hard to keep up in here
Crispy`	princessfroz: Replace the walls?
@kow|wk	nec: if you just joined you probably missed the start of this conversation
BasharTeg	It's not like this happens to New Orleans every year
@The_Tick	Crispy`: the foundations are probably off balance
SleepingProphet	newspapers
Crispy`	I'm not saying every house is fixable.
SleepingProphet	lots and lots of newspapers
voodoo_in_tx	Crispy` you're forgetting things like structural integrity - you can have walls, floor, but no structural integrity
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simmons	ICMB: (i'm really trying not just jump in on this argument, but...)  Denver (where I live) has an extremely low natural disaster potential.  Lots of companies put important data centers here for that reason.  In 2003, we had our worst blizzard in 100 years, and it was so extraordinarily benign that most people I know found it to be *fun*.
Crispy`	But the ones that are, they should go ahead and rebuild them.
nec	I am missing a lot of the conversation I am sure -way too hard to keep up
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joebob	but doesnt denver smell like cow poop?
@ICMB	Isn't Denver filled with rich white people, though?
voodoo_in_tx	simmons i think you may be right ;) we'll all move to denver!
SleepingProphet	lol
@The_Tick	ICMB: and wolves
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ithil	I'm suprised the conversation isn't even faster with 120 people
@kow|wk	BasharTeg: Most people's homes don't get destroyed ever year.  Your assumption that they do is ignorant.
simmons	But I do think that it is inevitable that there will be settlement on the coasts.  There are important industries there that depend on the ocean.
SleepingProphet	washington smells like cow fecal matter too...
voodoo_in_tx	except of course, i hate snow. so i'm outta luck
princessfroz	most people are lurking ithil
simmons	joebob: nope
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nec	denver has an increasing hispanic population, so no, it is not all rich white people
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joebob	simmons: i stand corrected
simmons	ICMB: Denver is a fairly wealthy city, but there are all sorts of people living here.
voodoo_in_tx	people seem to think that people only live in coastal cities because it's pretty, or something. cities developed there due to trade, etc.
princessfroz	everywhere has an increasing hispanic population
BasharTeg	kow|wk: Oh, so it rotates.  How often does your home have to be destroyed for it to be considered often enough to not risk your family's lives by staying?
joebob	i am increasingly hispanic
princessfroz	noice
@kow|wk	Why don't you go down to New Orleans and ask them?
voodoo_in_tx	BasharTeg conversely, what is the percentage of possible destruction possibility that you would consider leaving?
@kow|wk	I'm sure they've got a fresh perspective.
Crispy`	BasharTeg: Most of the time, if a families home is destroyed, they still have a job they work for.
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Rash	does anyone know where the shelters in MS and AL are?
Crispy`	That's reason enough not to leave.
voodoo_in_tx	BasharTeg cause you, in san diego? are pretty high on that list
princessfroz	i like increasingly hispanic folks
Kheirag	Oh wow, I was staying out of this discussion because I thought it didn't matter... but now I see that this is actually a controversy and Hastert has come out and said NO shouldn't be rebuilt.  Mindboggling.
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Excedrin	Denver is horrible. The CDC is constantly leaking new flu bugs that infect everyone.
joebob	DC was built on a swamp
joebob	lets evacuate DC instead
flat1ine	i thought the CDC was based out of Atlanta...
princessfroz	not a bad idea joebob
voodoo_in_tx	BasharTeg the thing is, you're coming off as disingenous, especially considering that your home base is located on several fault lines. Naive, maybe
voodoo_in_tx	Denver has a bigass CDC facility
@cbarrett	joebob: DC doesn't get hit by hurricanes.
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joebob	yeah but DC is full of feds
@The_Tick	cbarrett: aliens
BasharTeg	Any more ad hominims?
voodoo_in_tx	cbarrett lol dc does, actually
nec	Kheirag: yep, and this coming from someone in a tornado prone state
@The_Tick	cbarrett: see independence day for reference
@cbarrett	Except that one a few years ago that blew the roof off one of the dorms at UMCP
Rash	cbarrett DC *could* get hit
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Chimi	hmm, if natural disasters are a reason to move... afk i gotta move, i live in a earthquake zone near volcanoes.
princessfroz	lt. general even
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19:41	cbarrett	lives in DC
princessfroz	big guns
simmons	Fortunately, my tinfoil hat keeps out the government mind control rays.
voodoo_in_tx	ad hominims? no, perceptions
Rash	I'm in MD
Hermitty	didn't a hurricane hit up around NY a few years back?
hfx_ben	soooooo we're chatting here?
hfx_ben	yes?
frostbotond	how high is(or was not sure if the water has gone down yet) on bourbon street?
princessfroz	yes
mcsmurf	hfx_ben: no spamming ;)
hfx_ben	right?
@cbarrett	it would seem that way
Chimi	my tinfoil hat is dual-layered. woo.
voodoo_in_tx	pretty much every city on east coast has been hit by a hurrican at some point
[1]diclophis	haha, i cant beleive looters are stealing trucks and loading them up
hfx_ben	questions are not spam
voodoo_in_tx	nor'easters, whatever
19:41	Padathir	lights a candle for fuel 3
hfx_ben	note: I got no answers
joebob	I think we should all go do NOLA
BasharTeg	My home base isn't located on several fault lines, you're ignorant of the situation.  If you look at the map, the faults are all way the hell out in the desert
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erickt	anyone have a link for the red cross dvd donations?
Rash	cbarrett if a storm came up the bay like last year and decided to turn a left up the patomac it surely could
nec	quote"<cbarrett> joebob: DC doesn't get hit by hurricanes."  MD has been hit by 2
joebob	we can help restore civilized discourse
simmons	I just happen to be driving into Boston one time when a nor'easter hit.  yeesh!
voodoo_in_tx	well, i don't have your address, of course ;)
nec	http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/paststate.shtml
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pthree	the water is on?
Kheirag	I don't wear tinfoil, but their mindcontrol doesn't seem to be working too well on me just yet, so I'll avoid the hassle for now.
hfx_ben	if someone asks a question, and nobody answers ... what am I, Fuel 3 v2?
frostbotond	how high is(or was not sure if the water has gone down yet) on bourbon street?
pthree	has anything major confirmed the water being turned back on?
vortexer	how long till this is 'an act of god' for the 'mardi-gras' comes out of religio-fanatics?
voodoo_in_tx	hfx_ben a tree that fell in the forest?
Kheirag	Maybe they haven't deployed it yet, but have been testing it on Christopher Hitchens.
vashti	already happened, vortexer.
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pthree	vortexer yesterday
vortexer	really?
BasharTeg	Perhaps you should educate yourself a little more on southern california's fault system because I have 26 years of experience and a fair amount of reading on California's fault system.  Those of you who are calling me ignorant or naive are actually the ones ignorant of the facts.
vortexer	haha
hfx_ben	no answer ... thanks a lot
vortexer	sigh.
hoks	anyplace with live video ? url me please
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hoks	anyplace with live video ? url me please
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pthree	vortexer it was for mardi gras and some gay pride gathering thing
voodoo_in_tx	vortexer already did - some preacher said it happened because there was going to be a big gay pride parade
Rash	the video is of the street
Rash	no one anywhere to be seen
19:43		mode/#interdictor-chat [+b %BasharTeg!*@*] by The_Tick
vortexer	well i guess to keep with tradition florida and california should be next acts of god
vortexer	and maybe nevada for all the hookers
vortexer	oh and las vegas
@mathx	Tick: how you doing with ops here
joebob	California has a No Fault System, bashar
@mathx	things ok?
voodoo_in_tx	lol
ColloquySucks	Southern Decadence was the name of the gay pride gathering
vortexer	yes, california might actually get that
@The_Tick	mathx: going fine
Excedrin	BasharTeg: earthquakes affect the area far from the fault also
@cbarrett	"doesn't" was a relative term, BTW. The gulf coast is hit frequently. DC very rarely.
ColloquySucks	i forgot the group that made the claim
frostbotond	no one knows?
@mathx	Tick: get help as needed, dont let control get to the wrong peopel tho please
hoks	http://www.southerndecadence.net/
@The_Tick	mathx: htoucles, cbarrett and I oper in other chanels a lot
frostbotond	about borubon street?
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frostbotond	bourbon
hoks	http://www.southerndecadence.com/
Arken	DICK CHENEY IS STILL ON FUCKING VACATION.
joebob	cbarrett, if they evac DC, then your taxes go down
@The_Tick	mathx: if we need more help i'll ping ya or someone
Imperfect	Is there a live feed for CNN?
vortexer	yay for dick.
hoks	celebration of aids culture
hoks	yes i want live feed url too
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nec	BasharTeg: a lot of the faults are out in the desert, but many of thoise areas are populated, also faults run through LA, and SF
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@The_Tick	Arken: capslock, learn to turn it off please
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joebob	arken is using a C-64
nec	I study this stuff too
Arken	No, I'm just very pissed off.
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Arken	So I was doing the chat equivalent of shouting. :)
Imperfect	I'm making do with FOX News, but they have these reality tv-style commercials for reporting on the disaster and it's making me a little ill.
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Kheirag	Yeah caps are fine FOR EMPHASIS.
@cbarrett	Imperfect: there is. On the television.
@cbarrett	Kheirag: They are also ANNOYING
Padathir	oh ugh
frostbotond	whos in NEw orleans?
@The_Tick	Arken: refrain from future usage or i'll make it so you cannot talk
frostbotond	i have a question
@cbarrett	Please don't use them.
ColloquySucks	probably no one
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nec	hey BasharTeg, there were a number of earthquakes in the sand diego area today =D http://earthquake.usgs.gov/recenteqsUS/Maps/US10/32.42.-125.-115.html
frostbotond	i guess not
hoks	anyplace with live video ? url me please
hoks	3rd time i ask
vortexer	the troops in iraq need to be in new orleans right now.
@The_Tick	nec: BasharTeg cannot respond to you
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nec	oh, is he mute?
@The_Tick	yes
helf	you will be lucky to get "live" video out of NO
ColloquySucks	interdictor is our link to NO and he barely has internet
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nec	ok, I was looking for links and missed it
apollo48	http://old.mises.org:88/NO2
McGrude	see http://wiki.nola-intel.org/index.php/Main_Page
ColloquySucks	i doubt anyone else does
hoks	thanks apollo !!!
19:47		mode/#interdictor-chat [-bb %SleepingProphet!*@* %BasharTeg!*@*] by The_Tick
MetsRallyNick	is there somewhere i can direct homeless people to about safe shelter?
hoks	very apprecited
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hoks	argh
hoks	i want the cnn live feed
apollo48	no prob
hoks	not this :P
simmons	It's kind of weird that I was just hanging out in New Orleans a couple of months ago, and now it's under water. :(
helf	heh
apollo48	sorry
helf	friend of mine went a few weeks ago..
Kheirag	simmons: At least you got one last hurrah.  I haven't been in years.
hoks	np dude, i should have been more specific
hoks	thanks for helping anyway
resistor	i visited my girlfriend's home w/ her over spring break in NO.  and now it's not there anymore.
BasharTeg	I didn't start this discussion, and I shouldn't be silenced because I have an unpopular opinion, while the people who are cutting me personally for disagreeing are going unpunished.
helf	I've never been.. :\
Hermitty	http://wiki.nola-intel.org/index.php/Main_Page
nec	we almost moved there 2 months ago. still will, but I am going to help rebuild first, of course
19:48	Chimi	has never been to NO. or out of washington state.
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spectros	he has like 3 links posted for the feed
resistor	it's... disturbing
thies	some guy with a rescue party from florida is in new orleans and has internet. but as he was out most of the day puilling people out of houses he's not overly interested in chatting
hoks	what is your unpopular opinion 'darn nigger' or something similar ?
spectros	that 193 on I have found is pretty quick
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helf	I'm amazed they have any internet right now
19:48	hoks	was kicked from #interdictor-chat by Amish_Hooker [nigger gets you banned]
spectros	no doubt
McGrude	thank you Amish Hooker
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spectros	Amish hooker ?
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simmons	I know some people in Pascagoula who got their house flooded with two feet of water, mud, and sewage, and a condo a block from the coast completely totaled.  And Pascagoula wasn't terribly close to the hurricane's landfall. :/
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StuntMonkey	Jesus christ, people are dying and a complete city is fucked and all some retards can think about is derogotary insults about races who are shown in the media as the primary looters
helf	stunt : for real
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helf	its pathetic
mcsmurf	btw: Is that bullshit or true, i heard from sharks swimming in the water ;) ?
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helf	mcsmurf  : yes
Crispy`	StuntMonkey: That's...kinda the justification for it. :\
princessfroz	yeah i heard the same mcsmurf
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StuntMonkey	Bitch please, there is white people out there doing the same shit but the media is playing you all
HudsonJ	It's been reported that cops saw a three-foot shark in the water.
helf	mcsmurf  : 3-4' sharks seen
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Padathir	hey guys just a thought but it looked like hoks was trying to say that basharteg's opinions were likely unpopular because they were acidic
flat1ine	i was down there a few years ago and checked out their aquarium.  lotsa sharks there.
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pthree	sharks. in the water. crazy
mcsmurf	i think foxnews or so, but i personally wouldnt trust everything foxnews reports ;)
helf	flat1ine  : which is destroyed.. imagine what ellse is in the water
spectros	bodies attracting them
spectros	man
HudsonJ	http://www.nydailynews.com/08-31-2005/news/wn_report/story/342142p-292134c.html
flat1ine	looters!  sharks!  gah!
pthree	eels and barracudas and fire ants and crocs
spectros	not good at all
McGrude	'everything' or 'anything' mcsmurf ?
HudsonJ	It's way down the bottom there, I think.
Crispy`	The_Tick: Kinda hypocritical, and you also ruined my change for rebuttle, but nice job none the less. ;D
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Kheirag	Fox is 24-hour propaganda.
voodoo_in_tx	basharteg's opinions were inflammatory because he didn't realize that he, too, is as vulnerable as any of us.
helf	snakes, gators.. :)
helf	pretty icky
BasharTeg	If you compare the number of houses destroyed and the number of fatalities due to earthquakes, compared to areas which are destroyed often by natural disasters, people still make the choice to remain in unsafer areas when there clearly are options to move to safer areas, and not *all* of them lack the financial means to do so.
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nec	well, there are a lot of snakes apparently, but i imagine a lot of these creatures will die from the pollution in the water
@The_Tick	mathx: i'm leaving work in about 10 minutes, might want to get someone else in here
spectros	wtf are they doing, day 5 and just now getting in
mcsmurf	McGrude: heh, well, normally i don't get in contact with foxnews at all (i live in Europe)
spectros	:|
helf	nec : probably
vortexer	they shouldn't rebuild the city
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Crispy`	BasharTeg: Uhm, the ones they show in the news are usually the financially unstable ones because, you know, those are the ones who can't move.
voodoo_in_tx	BasharTeg - you're confusing "people still make the choice to remain in unsafer areas " with "having no choice to move to other, safer areas"
helf	vortexer  : i agree
Kheirag	I think Europeans would be horrified by Fox.  Or amused, if they're cynical enough.
vortexer	build new houses elsewhere, leave that basin as is
helf	they should if nothing else, take it up above sea levenad rebuild
vortexer	yep
Crispy`	Yeah.
flat1ine	every now and then i get a strong craving for beignets and Community Coffee at cafe dumond.  I kept saying that i'd just take a long weekend and drive over.  i hope that the city can be rebuilt.
Kheirag	I wonder what the Canadians think... as it was made available there recently.
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wemmi	hello from finland
@kow|wk	hello wemmi
vortexer	I'm canadian.
skep	the only time I watch foxnews is if they show parts of it on the Daily Show :p
Excedrin	what's community coffee?
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@The_Tick	BasharTeg: some folks do live on a dollar a day
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vortexer	fox news is like watching a soap opera.
nec	hello wemmi
helf	bah, gotta run. off work. later
Crispy`	BasharTeg: My parents are divorced, my dad makes about 80k which isn'tr much between 5 people and 2 condos, and all my friends and family live here.
flat1ine	it's the local brand of coffee - lotsa chickery.  good stuff.
19:53		mode/#interdictor-chat [+o crschmidt] by The_Tick
Crispy`	It's not like I'm gonna say "Natural Disasters? Pfft, I'm gonna throw all that away"
BasharTeg	If you knew the number of out of state people who have moved here with little to nothing, you wouldn't be claiming that people just can't move here.
Crispy`	"I'm moving"
vortexer	the govt has a duty to relocate people and build new homes elsewhere
vortexer	building in the same spot again is a recipe for this happening again
Crispy`	BasharTeg: Moving somewhere in a state in which you have no money is desperate and not smart.
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vortexer	govt already made a mistake by not evacuating peopl ein the first place
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nec	I understand a lot of people were in town for the Southern Decadance thing, too
vortexer	and if they are going to dump in billions they might as well do the right thing
Crispy`	I'd rather stay here with the money I have than live somewhere else and just be poor.
mcsmurf	vortexer: blaming the government, isn't that unamerican ;)
BasharTeg	Amazingly plenty of people move here with two backs and an apartment deposit.  I know some of them.
@The_Tick	BasharTeg: some of those folks were living on less than a dollar a day
Kheirag	Of course you could move to, say, Chile or India and live like a king.
BasharTeg	two bags
voodoo_in_tx	BasharTeg, I don't know if you've ever been dirt-flat poor, but sometimes, circumstances do dictate "choices"
Hermitty	why is it always the govt's fault when people are being told over and over that a cat 5 hurricane is heading their way.
BasharTeg	and an apartment deposit
nec	vortexer - that is like saying that they should quit rebuilding Xenia, OH since they have seen 3 F5 tornadoes  and have had to rebuild a bunch of times
Crispy`	And it's a sad fact, but most of the people loose in New Orleans are the project and ghetto residents, and those are the people who don't have the money to move.
McGrude	Hermitty, because they didn't mobilize the National Guard on Sunday night.
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BasharTeg	nec: That is actually my point.
McGrude	They waited until after
BasharTeg	They should quit rebuilding Xenia OH
princessfroz	how big is Xenia, OH?
voodoo_in_tx	BasharTeg having at least once been forced to live on beans and rice, and being thankful for the beans, even WITH a job waiting in another part of the country, but no way to get there? I can honestly say that you are incredibly lucky to have never been or known such a situation
nec	many places are more prone than others, besides - people keep forgetting that  a hurricane like this hasn't hit nola in 40 years
wemmi	are those topics feeds difrent channels?
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BasharTeg	nec: agreed, you can't make the general case statement against NO
Crispy`	BasharTeg: You're making these comments even though you've never been the victim of such things.
@The_Tick	nec: 35
BasharTeg	Crispy: and you know this because you know my personal history ;)
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Crispy`	I personally think you have an ignorant POV for the sheer fact you've never experienced this.
nec	princessfroz, I forget the population, not huge, but it is decent sized for the area - it is about 30 minutes outside of Dayton
Crispy`	BasharTeg: I know this because you said it.
Imperfect	If it was as simple as rebuilding a city, the question would answer itself.  But a lot of people forget that we're talking about rebuilding a major port and a giant part of the economy here.
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Crispy`	BasharTeg: You said, and I quote...
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pussfeller	you cant take the worst possible scenario and assume its the norm
vortexer	up here in canada, we get hit with snow a lot. we've called in the army to clean toronto up once, and it was a shameful act.
vortexer	:)
Crispy`	[19:26] <BasharTeg> Earthquakes haven't destroyed any of the homes I've lived in for the past 26 years
princessfroz	i was asking so as to compare the cost of rebuilding Xenia to the cost of rebuilding New Orleans
nec	I have been seeing 40, but 35 isn't that much different. I would have to check the database
vortexer	i don't think water is the same as earthquakes
nec	actually I think it was 1968
vortexer	water knows no boundaries
voodoo_in_tx	BasharTeg, not only have you said it, but your general demeanor seems to indicate that you've never had to deal with this type of situation.
@The_Tick	nec: ya, i think it was 35, but you might be right
@The_Tick	doesn't matter much
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19:58	BasharTeg	was kicked from #interdictor-chat by The_Tick [oh, let's just be done with you]
nec	camille was in 68
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ccs|paint	thank you
19:58	Crispy`	cheers for The_Tick.
Padathir	thank you
@The_Tick	anyone else want to be silly before i leave work?
Hermitty	i thought camille was in 69?
Crispy`	The_Tick: You'll be back at home?
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19:58	cbarrett	tags The_Tick out
@cbarrett	go home :P
@The_Tick	Crispy`: try to be, yes
@The_Tick	cbarrett: 2 minutes
princessfroz	what did BasharTeg do?
@The_Tick	:)
nec	princessfroz my point was that you can't condemn a city based on the odds that mother nature will strike there. mother nature is unpredictable, and one cannot average out the odds of anyplace being hit by anything
@The_Tick	princessfroz: caused me to kickban him
Crispy`	The_Tick: Oh, well I'm sure SOMEONE can handle it for the few minutes you're gone. :P
voodoo_in_tx	The_Tick - thnx for the fun ;)
nec	Hermitty - I think you may be right. will lose my place here - going to look
Crispy`	Technically, by the odds, no where in the world is safe to live.
princessfroz	i gathered that part...i mean what exactly did he do/say to warrant a KB?
Crispy`	Oh sweet!
vortexer	nec, not condeming city was there, condeming being idiots now and rebuilding in the same spot.
@The_Tick	Crispy`: oh, i'm technically supposed to be here for another minute
Crispy`	More phat beats on the scanner!
apollo48	camille was in '69
@The_Tick	princessfroz: aggrivated everyone else
princessfroz	i dont hear any phat beats
20:00	princessfroz	is jealous
nec	idiots?
MetsRallyNick	i dont agree with basher but i believe in his right to express his (albeit ignorant) opinions
vortexer	yes, if you are going to spend that much money, with the possibility of being below sea level still, then it's not insuring the future much.
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douglas_carmicha	what are the sounds on the scanner feed?
princessfroz	oh there we go
@The_Tick	MetsRallyNick: and on irc that doesn't matter
20:00	princessfroz	dances
douglas_carmicha	(sound like touch-tones)
MetsRallyNick	i know
nec	you are right, Camille was 69, aug 14-22
MetsRallyNick	on IRC OPS RULE!
Crispy`	douglas_carmicha: Dr. Dre. He's making new phat beats.
apollo48	my parents actually survived camille.  they lived in gulfport at the time
Hermitty	year i was born  :)
@The_Tick	anyhow, didn't reznor live in nola?
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voodoo_in_tx	The_Tick i think he moved
nec	vortexer, it could be another 100 years or more before something like that happens there
voodoo_in_tx	he used to be in Garden District
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princessfroz	I agree with MetsRallyNick
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Padathir	how did the city end up under sea level with levees all around it?
Padathir	surely it wasn't founded under water
vortexer	nec, not with current global warming trends ( invalid if you don't believe in that theory )
voodoo_in_tx	Padathir it started out that way, but had wetlands all around it that soaked up water
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voodoo_in_tx	there's been coastal "creep" and erosion of wetlands
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PxM	It's slowly sinking
nec	also, remember, damage like this has only occured once in our history - 1906 in San Francisco
apollo48	it's just sunk over time
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PxM	Normally the silt from the river adds a new layer, but that's no longer possible.
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@cbarrett	I thought nawlins was built lower than sea level on purpose
@cbarrett	make shipping easier
@cbarrett	but I don't know much about it.
Padathir	and over time they're just built up levees to hold the water out?
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princessfroz	did i just hear an IM client on the feed?
princessfroz	yahoo possibly?
nec	vortexer: yes, but that will also change the course of storms, affect the location of the high pressure in the Atlantic that generally dictates which way they go. They will become far more unpredicatble. Rhode Island may become the hurricane hotspot in the next 20 years
apollo48	that's just a product of the environment.  it's the other way around shipping is easier because it's below sea level
@The_Tick	cbarrett: unban that basher dude in like 20 minutes
@cbarrett	which basher dude
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PxM	Read what happened when Chicago sank: http://www.gapersblock.com/airbags/archives/city_streets_how_chicago_raised_itself_out_of_the_mud_and_astonished_the_world/
MetsRallyNick	o'reilly actually just scolded the president
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@The_Tick	the 2nd ban in here
@cbarrett	k
apollo48	who?
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nec	all of it will become harder to predict as things change more rapidly
@The_Tick	the only ban in here :P
princessfroz	o'reilly?
@cbarrett	heh
princessfroz	amazing
simmons	It sounds strange, but I heard that the French Quarter -- which is close to the river -- is actually on higher ground than most of the city.  It sounds like it's Lake Pontchartrain that's the biggest problem.
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vortexer	nec, you're right :)
princessfroz	coworkers house was up to the roof with water
@cbarrett	simmons: Yes, I've heard that parts near the lake are the deepest under sea level.
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nec	you are a weather nut, too?
vortexer	but it's going to happen
enwilson	Whoa, did you say O'Reilly just busted on the PRESIDENT?
vortexer	we better prep for it
@cbarrett	as much as 60 feet in some places.
danknerd	THIS IS TRUE - o'reilly actually just scolded the president - HOLY!!!
princessfroz	6 blocks from the lake front
nec	my other (main) screen name is vortexwx
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Zantolak	danknerd: Are you serious?
apollo48	french quarter is 6 to 8 feet above sea level
vortexer	what did orielly say
princessfroz	really
hoks	scolded ?
princessfroz	this should be interesting
hoks	what is tha t??????????/
20:05	hoks	is french
hoks	someone tell me what oreilly did please
vortexer	someone should have recorded this
nec	wait O'reilly - President?
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hoks	what he diddd ?????
princessfroz	hey that lt general they were talking about on the scanner is on c-span right now
@The_Tick	cbarrett: nevermind on that unban
enwilson	I'm just stunned here...
nec	Must have scolded him because Bush said he would rebuild nola
@cbarrett	yea
@cbarrett	I saw you doing the unbanninating
hoks	guys, what oreilly just did
hoks	i am french i dont know what 'scolded' mean
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douglas_carmicha	hoks>where in france are you from?
princessfroz	admonished hoks?
Laren	scolded = criticise
princessfroz	chastised?
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Kheirag	hoks: "Criticized"
nec	chewed him out
@cbarrett	hoks: he said Bush was doing a poor job
hoks	everyone critize bush
Imperfect	Forget O'Reilly, from #interdictor: FOX NEWS reports: Finis Shelnutt reports looters shot police officer in head
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hoks	whats the big deal
@cbarrett	hoks: bill o'rilley has been a big supporter of bush
hoks	lol
hoks	:)
moonwick	not sure where the best place is to mention this, but I've got a mirror of the scanner feed up at http://64.5.58.149:8000/listen.pls
enwilson	Yeah, that's from an O'Reilly interview by phone
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Crispy`	Police Officer was shot in head?
MetsRallyNick	Anderson Cooper just gave it to Landrieu
McGrude	moonwick please post that at http://wiki.nola-intel.org/index.php/Main_Page
moonwick	ok, will do
MetsRallyNick	"He laced into Sen. Mary Landrieu saying people who have witnessed the devastation don't want to hear politicans congratulating other politicians for how they've responded. He was yelling, basically, "Don't you get it yet?" He mentioned seeing a woman's body on the ground being eaten by rats. Landrieu told Anderson she understood what he was saying and then thanked the President again ."
enwilson	But the dumbass is promising to get the guy help
pfish	lots of relays of my feed :p
enwilson	Which he can't deliver personally
moonwick	heh, hope you don't mind... seems like you can really use the help
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pfish	I'm going to raise the users on the original server (205.252.89.181) to 500
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pfish	maybe 1000 after I test some other things
pfish	but there are so many people listening to it
princessfroz	im listening on ev1's feed
Huntster	does anyone know if any of the scanner feeds are low bandwidth?  even the 32k feeds already posted reload over and over on my modem.
moonwick	what OS are you running on that box?
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MetsRallyNick	o'reilly said bush ducked the question diane sawyer asked him
pfish	moonwick: freebsd
moonwick	I had a problem getting past 200 listeners on 4-STABLE
RevJest	The LJ was mentioned on Air America Radio.
moonwick	had to bump up the number of mbufs
@Amish_Hooker	take it down to 24 pfish
pthree	so the army's in on this now
pfish	yeah mbufs is bumped up
pthree	that was an army email addy
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nec	I am looking forward to seeing what happens in the house of representatives tomorrow
McGrude	yes I heard that. hope he doesn't get more spam cuz of that
MetsRallyNick	Jack Cafferty:...I'm 62 and I remember the riots in Watts, I remember the earth Quake in San Francisco, I remember a lot of things. I have never, ever seen anything as badly bungled and poorly handled as this situation in New Orleans. Where the hell is the water for these people. Why can't sandwiches be dropped to those people that are in that Super Dome down there...This is Thursday...This storm happened five days ago. It's a
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jmatthew3	hey, where is the scanner coming from?
pfish	west monroe, louisiana
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@cbarrett	MetsRallyNick: you got cut off after "five days ago"
Padathir	MetsRallyNick where are you quoting from?
jmatthew3	is that picking up anything from new orleans?
pfish	yes this is from the state trs
jmatthew3	oh ok
jmatthew3	i gotcha
moonwick	McGrude: dumb question, but how do I edit that wiki page?
MetsRallyNick	this is all from CrooksAndLiars.com
princessfroz	oh man
moonwick	I'm not seeing an edit link, even after creating an account
princessfroz	to watch the news
princessfroz	or shawshank redemption
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princessfroz	hmmmm
niftybitch	http://www.livejournal.com/users/niftybitch/611419.html
douglas_carmicha	what is 'AKO'?
@The_Tick	cbarrett: you ok on ops in here?
douglas_carmicha	(I heard it on the radio.)
@The_Tick	before i go
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@cbarrett	yeah
@The_Tick	kk
@cbarrett	i'm keeping an eye on it
niftybitch	Free way to help out!!! http://www.livejournal.com/users/niftybitch/611419.html
@The_Tick	i'll work on getting some legit bots in here
po	cafferty's comments echoed here: http://newsbusters.org/comment/reply/835
princessfroz	oy
princessfroz	spam
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Ksosez	this fema guy is a dick
nec	agreed
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nec	"everything is fine here" h says
Ksosez	hes totally in over his head
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niftybitch	no spam princessfroz
nec	did you watch the FEMA briefing on CSPAN?
Crispy`	Apparently the FEMA guy is ignoring the looters and the people SHOOTING other people.
Baylink	I have an operational question for Camp Crystal that isn't getting through.  Does anyone here have talk on the main channel?
Ksosez	no
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Ksosez	nec why?
@Amish_Hooker	I do why?
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Baylink	Point out http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/40720.html?thread=1125392#t1125392 to them?
nec	he said, "I heard there were isolated incidences of violence, but nothing to worry about" or something to that effect
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Ksosez	he blaimed the victims
nec	and then he said everything was running smoothly, things were completely under control
Ksosez	seriously
MetsRallyNick	MSNBC's Countdown with Martin Savidge caught lotters in action at a Wal-Mart in N.O. What he didn't expect was that the police had joined in.  http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Countdown-looting-in-Walmart.wmv
Pretty_Generic	Listened to this extensively this morning.
Pretty_Generic	Around 11 (MDT), this call came in (from memory, not a transcript):
Pretty_Generic	Bulldog 3: Defender 5, Any word on the med evac? Still got the pregnant woman here.
Pretty_Generic	Defender 5: Negative
Pretty_Generic	Bulldog 3: 10-4, Know anything about giving birth? (very worried tone)
Pretty_Generic	Defender 5: Negative
Padathir	now it's fuel 1
Ksosez	Pretty_Generic, where that come from?
Baylink	Copy that, Amish_Hooker?
Pretty_Generic	scanner
nec	and reporters were hitting him with all these facts (he denied the shot at the helicopter) and he said they were all untrue
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Padathir	I've got that logged somewhere
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Baylink	Tnx.
nec	I wanted to smack him
@Amish_Hooker	done baylink
Padathir	[10:50] <emf_> sir. any word on the medical for this pregnant lady
Padathir	[10:50] <emf_> no.. (unt) they don't have a doc here. couldn't get to it now.
Padathir	[10:50] <emf_> roger (laugh) any reccomendations on how to give birth, over?
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nec	It is available at cspan I think, but nothing you want to watch unless you want to get really pissed off
McGrude	breath, push, breath, push
McGrude	rinse and repeat
Kheirag	Well the woman is going to give birth and all he has to do is receive it :)
Padathir	ha that's what I was thinking at the time
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mcsmurf	:D
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McGrude	and by all means keep that baby clean
Ksosez	nec no thanks watching regular is making me angry enough
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nec	agreed.
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Crispy`	Wow.,
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Crispy`	LA governor called them "Old People"
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oi_oi_saveloy	US Coastguard: "It's like a warzone in NO"
20:18	Ksosez	tries to vear away from screaming about politics :)
oi_oi_saveloy	News24
McGrude	I believe that this incident is clear evidence of the complete lack of proper leadership in the whitehouse
moonwick	alright, stream mirror URL added to InfoDump
oi_oi_saveloy	"It's crazy, people on rooves crying for help"
Ksosez	oi_oi_saveloy, where you hearing htat?
nec	I hear ya Ksosez
Crispy`	McGrude: Really? I could have sworn it's clear evidence of the lack of intelligence in the human being.
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apollo48	crispy: right there with ya
Kheirag	Crispy: Exactly... the one in the white house.
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nec	I had no idea they were human beings in the white house
Crispy`	How is it the fault of the leadership that people can't get shipped out due to the people their trying to RESCUE firing on them?
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Crispy`	This isn't the government's fault.
McGrude	Crispy, because of the lack of proactive response. THey could have mobilized Sunday.
@kow|wk	<aSmig> oh, roger, (charity?) hospitol is requesting that the armed guard stay there for the night
Ksosez	Crispy`, please dont start
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Crispy`	This is no one's fault, but the looters are making it worst.
princessfroz	is active duty military there yet?
oi_oi_saveloy	What are their alternatives?
Ksosez	Crispy`, do not start
Crispy`	Ksosez: It's hard not too when everyone has the same view and keeps telling it.
princessfroz	in NO>
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nec	they don't act like humans - humans generally have something called humanity
nec	well, fortunately the army was finally called in and other military, right?
Pretty_Generic	What time is Bush due in NOLA?
danknerd	Cripsy: Once again but it is the governments responsibility and the government HAS FAILED in a timely manner, while they are rapidly trying to do things now... it appears to be to litte too late!
Kheirag	nec: Oh yeah, they're 8-foot shapeshifting lizards... I forget sometimes :)
pussfeller	there has been a real lag in the response by the govt
nec	hehe
enwilson	This doesn't fit the info room exactly, but let me run this by you folks:
enwilson	manindaarena: *MSG* the best was his quote on Good Morning America about how nobody could've seen this coming
Crispy`	What EXACTLY is the government's fault?
Frungy	My friend stationed in South Carolina is 90% sure he'll be goign to LA soon
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enwilson	manindaarena: *MSG* two things on that
enwilson	manindaarena: *MSG* 1.) the New Orleans coroner keeps 10,000 body bags on handy specifically in the case of a massive catastrophic city flood
enwilson	manindaarena: *MSG* two things on that
enwilson	manindaarena: *MSG* 1.) the New Orleans coroner keeps 10,000 body bags on handy specifically in the case of a massive catastrophic city flood
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Ksosez	Kheirag, i  think one of them is a robot :)
Crispy`	Name the event that you believe are the government's fault.
enwilson	Aw criminy, sorry
Laren	Crispy: Failing to fund the levees for a start.
Tage	They set up the airdrops for food and supplies over Berlin just after WWII, and that was in a foreign nation thousands of miles from home. Are you telling me that the U.S. government cant even drop food in one of its own cities within four days of a huge disaster?
enwilson	manindaarena: *MSG* 2.) BUSH'S OWN FEMA in 2001 named a hurricane-induced flood of the city of New Orleans as one of the top three most dangerous preventable disasters
Laren	Sending money for that to Iraq.
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Crispy`	Laren: Before this, who honestly ever thought about the levees?
Floydthebarber	goony goons?
Laren	Taking five days to send in military.
Frungy	goony goon goon goon
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enwilson	That was a policy wonk in my regular chat
Floydthebarber	:D
oi_oi_saveloy	Crispy`, probably pretty much everybody in NO
Padathir	It's easy to overestimate the capacity of an airdrop.
Ksosez	Crispy`, the army core of engineers has spent 15 years warning about the levees
oi_oi_saveloy	Look at nola.com
McGrude	lots of people Crispy
Laren	It was listed by FEMA as top 3 mostly like disaster in uSA.
flamingcow	i have server resources, if anyone can use them for this
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@mathx	enwilson: where did you get that coroner body bag info?
nec	what got me was the press asked about sending in the military today at the WH press briefing, and Mclellan said it was up to DHS and to ask at that briefing, so then that briefing comes around and the DHS guy says that only the president can call for that.
Laren	That report was in 2001
oi_oi_saveloy	Loads of stories worrying about the levees
Crispy`	I know, but out of you guys.
vampiress	stairs
princessfroz	Failing to have the numbers to deploy a significant military presence into NO
nec	pass the buck?
Padathir	You can't move as much that was as people think.
oi_oi_saveloy	From the last 4 years
Kheirag	Crispy: There have been dozens of articles in the last few years about the inevitability of this sort of thing
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Frungy	Floydthebarber: what do you mean
utahsaint	goooooons
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Crispy`	I meant out of you guys.
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strangely_	they have been requesting money for the levees for decades, bush cancelled the project
Frungy	Hurricane goons
Crispy`	How many of you knew about the levees, and cared?
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majik	sad goons
Squiddite	goons hurricaning goons
Laren	I'm in Australia and I knew about levee problems.
oi_oi_saveloy	I read about the destruction of the wetlands last year
utahsaint	goonicane
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nec	I had no idea about the levees, but i don't live anywhere near the area
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Sol-Eve	The real problem started when the levees broke
oi_oi_saveloy	Anjd the possible consequences
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majik	Goons with nothing to do really
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princessfroz	thanks Amish_Hooker
nec	I have no excuse I guess.
Padathir	while we're invoking godwin and pointing to WWII as examples for airdrops, remember germany's attempts to airdrop supplies to it's armies stranded in russia. They didn't work too well
vampiress	truth majik
Crispy`	Ok, they've been requesting the money for levee's for decades, and never got it, but it's Bush's fault.
utahsaint	[f5 goons] where u at
StuntMonkey	Sorry, but what the hell are the leeves?
halogen8	anyone have the links to listen to the scanners?
Kheirag	oi_oi: Well that doesn't really count, since foreigners are generally better informed than Americans ;)
20:22		mode/#interdictor-chat [+b *!*@user-12lmg2g.cable.mindspring.com] by Amish_Hooker
Crispy`	Even though he's only been in office for 6 years.
Imperfect	Just his fault most recently.
princessfroz	that one too
MetsRallyNick	Peercast: peercast://pls/007D48952E4E7D0992252C52EAE7C1CF?tip=192.153.154.157:7144 Use any mirror: List on http://wiki.nola-intel.org/index.php/Radio_Info , along with other info | Talking channel is #interdictor-chat |
majik	any temp sites up?
strangely_	yes, bush cancelled the levee upgrade
Sol-Eve	ANyone who's watched discovery or history channel for the last 3year knows of the problem with th levees thye each had eps of shows on it
nec	Crispy`, the money for that project was cut in 2003
po	halogen8: look at the topic in #interdictor-scanner - all of those are mirrors
princessfroz	ONLY been in office for 6 years?
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Crispy`	nec: To fund a war in Iraq, to combat terrorism.
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majik	Hope they get a couple oc3s back up over the weekend
oi_oi_saveloy	Crispy`, read the topic
halogen8	po: thank you
Laren	Yep, more important than saving people in America
mcsmurf	so did they water went over the kevee first and then it broke=
Crispy`	Honestly, at the time, I'd be more worried about that war than those levees.
Facade3	greetings from chicago
oi_oi_saveloy	You're way past the line
Kheirag	Iraq has nothing to do with terrorism.
Crispy`	oi_oi_saveloy: ?
mcsmurf	?
mcsmurf	s/they/the
princessfroz	is it just me
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strangely_	there were no terrorists in iraq until we arrived
@kow|wk	Keep the politics relevant please.
@kow|wk	Keep the politics relevant please.
StuntMonkey	Crispy` - ABC reports islamic extremists are rejoicing over the floods
@kow|wk	Keep the politics relevant please.
nec	and we aren't going to get into that
Laren	Crispy: YOu don't live in NO
pacos_gal	just heard the FEMA head say that they expect to have 30,000 troops on the ground in NO soon
@kow|wk	see /topic
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princessfroz	or did terrorism increase after the war in iraq?
Crispy`	It's all part of the War on Terror though.
Crispy`	Anyway, to stay on topic.
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strangely_	how so?
20:24		mode/#interdictor-chat [+m] by kow|wk
@kow|wk	just a friendly reminder, please read the topic (type /topic)
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@kow|wk	keep the obvious flamebait, the trolling, and the blatant partisan political banter to yourself, or in your own channels
@kow|wk	this is not the place
20:24		mode/#interdictor-chat [-m] by kow|wk
nec	agreed
@kow|wk	Thank you.
majik	I did /topic and it didnt give me anything
McGrude	am I still connected to the channel?
pacos_gal	not to interupt, just inserting that into the conversation
flamingcow	anyone know if someone from new york, driving down, could be of any use?
McGrude	guess so
Facade3	hmm....can not send what i type to channels #interdictor-digest, or #interdictor
@kow|wk	http://nola-intel.org for INFO | This channel for chatter, go nuts, stay off politics/flamewars or be banned
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Padathir	do /topic #interdictor-chat
@kow|wk	That is the current topic
Crispy`	Well, considering digest was closed.
Laren	K: You can't fix a problem if you don't admit there is a problem.
majik	oh ok
Crispy`	Where can we discuss it?
danknerd	Crispy: check this http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=00060286-CB58-1315-8B5883414B7F0000&sc=I100322
mcsmurf	ok again: Did the water go over the levee and then it broke or did the levee already broke before anyone knows?
Crispy`	What I said before..
Crispy`	The funding was cut for something that, at the time, was more important.
StuntMonkey	.............
Kheirag	Isn't there an #interdictor-politics?
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StuntMonkey	What is a levee?
Laren	MC: A bit of both
@kow|wk	lol
McGrude	so how long until there is a Kent State like incident in NOLA ?
nec	mcsmurf: the levee was being repaired
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Laren	Levee had been sinking for years, then they get waterlogged. Then break.
Crispy`	No one saw that the hurricane was coming.
nec	StuntMonkey: it is a wall to keep out water
moonwick	we need #interdictor-singles, too, for random hookups!
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Laren	Once a small breach, they collapse very quickly.
Tage	Crispy: How can you say THAT, and then at the same time say that the U.S. Government is not responsible, even after FEMAs warnings?
Tage	You cant have your cake and eat it to.
StuntMonkey	aaaah
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princessfroz	ROFL!
StuntMonkey	So they are like stop banks
Laren	Happened in the big floods on the Miss river a few years back.
nec	right
Padathir	mcsmurf: wwltv had a guy from the city saying that the water reached near the top of the levees, then some places failed from the weight
princessfroz	no one saw the hurricane coming
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princessfroz	hurricanes have been coming that way for years
nec	yeah, no one saw it for days =\
princessfroz	it was only a matter of time before it was a CAT 5
vortexer	i hope florida learns a lesson
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nec	not like we have satellite
vampiress	but you can't fortify a levee in days
StuntMonkey	princessfroz -of course they didnt, but they were certainly WARNED
Crispy`	Tage: Responsible in the sense of they did something reckless that directly caused this.
oi_oi_saveloy	Apparently the Gulf OM is at a record high temperature
Facade3	send q exceeded
Laren	Simple thing is, storm was days ago and they are just now mobilizing help. Way too late, poor planning.
oi_oi_saveloy	Which breeds big storms
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MaxxMonde	What impressed me was the rapidity of how things broke down socially. Its just....scary as hell.
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Crispy`	Laren: They were rescuing people 2 days ago.
oi_oi_saveloy	They're tracking tropical storm Lee in the Atlantic, has the potential to hit
nec	it is really scary there
mcsmurf	Padathir: hm i wonder how many people they had at that time near the city for the case to stabilize/repair it; but probably they also didn't want to endanger their own people
Laren	MAX: Wasn't that quick, its been days.
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pussfeller	well its the govt itself that says its the answer to each and every problem, so why not hold them responsible? :)
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20:27		mode/#interdictor-chat [-b *!*@user-12lmg2g.cable.mindspring.com] by Amish_Hooker
Facade3	what i don't get is.....why the people are shooting at those trying to help them...
20:27		mode/#interdictor-chat [-b *!*@CPE-65-27-77-131.mn.res.rr.com] by Amish_Hooker
McGrude	civilization is balanced on a knife edge MaxxMonde
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Crispy`	They couldn't send in a whole bunch of people cause the condition was still not known.
@michaelloftis	thanks everyone for keeping this civil, what we don't need here/now is a troll or flamefest.
MaxxMonde	Laren, ok, I guess it seemed rapid to me I suppose.
Padathir	I don't know, if that was discussed I didn't see it c.c
mcsmurf	since actually the real disaster happened after the hurricane
Laren	Crsip: Why weren't they bussing people out before the storm hit?
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Crispy`	I wouldn't send a whole bunch of miltary in there and then have a flash flood wipe them all out.
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sikophant	it disintegrated but it may stabilize on its own soon too
ColloquySucks	now I know what this reminds me of
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princessfroz	Stunt: i was being sarcastic
princessfroz	oh
ColloquySucks	lord of the flies
sikophant	extreme situations bring quick changes
nec	oi_oi_saveloy: Lee is heading north - no where hear the US
princessfroz	well hes gone
comppimp	herro
wemmi	<crschmidt> (igeuths is going to be listening to the left on the http://www.radioreference.com:8080/lspbtr feed) what is that feed?
skep	oi_oi_saveloy, Storm Lee is way to far north...but TD (Tropical Depression 14) looks "interesting"
princessfroz	herro cp
MaxxMonde	I'm in chicago, I totally entertained fantasies of a Mad Max convoy of food and water to the Crystal site. :) But that would kill me no doubt.
@kow|wk	Another reminder: since this is IRC, you are perfectly capable of starting a new channel by typing /join <channel name> - If the channel does not exist it will be automatically created for you.  If you want your own space to talk about whatever you want, this is the way to do it.
comppimp	:)
Crispy`	Laren: They WERE bussing people out before the storm.
Crispy`	Welcome to Sunday.
oi_oi_saveloy	Ah, only what I heard on News24
nec	same with TD 14
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MagiusMoo	David Hitchner, http://personal.lig.bellsouth.net/k/d/kd5eis/index.htm,
MagiusMoo	is providing a dual stereo stream of the LSP System. The Left Channel is
MagiusMoo	in Search mode providing all of Baton Rouge's State system site freqs.
MagiusMoo	The other channel is providing Troop A and Troop B rebroadcast.
@crschmidt	wemmi: it's a split feed
Heliox	I've got a server on a fat pipe i can probably use to mirror the scanner feed. who do i need to talk to about software/bw/processor requirements?
Laren	Yes, but not quick enough.
oi_oi_saveloy	Sea temps are record levels though
@crschmidt	right.
gentoo_junkie	anyone know if green st in NO is flooded ?
@crschmidt	what MagiusMoo said
oi_oi_saveloy	For whatever reason you care to believe
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MagiusMoo	http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LiveScannerAudio/message/16884
Crispy`	Laren: There wasn't enough time anyway.
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Ksosez	Crispy`, you live in a fantasy world
nec	yes they are, and it has caused a shift in the area of high pressure in the atlantic
Crispy`	By the time the evacuation was called, there wasn't much time.
danknerd	Cripsy: You would sent military in there because a possible flash flood, but we can send them to war!!!! that doesnt make sense, they are trained professional to handle any all sorts of dangerous, plus they have the equipment to sustain themselves
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MaxxMonde	This reminds me of that novel "Heavy Weather"....global warming fueling larger storms. Gah.
chb	i hate my internet connection
20:29	chb	shakes his fist at Crispy`
chb	err
chb	cbarrett:
Heliox	http://www.digitalglobe.com/sample_imagery.shtml
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wemmi	ok
Crispy`	So if you want to blame someone, blame the governor, who I might add was told EARLY sunday to evacuate the city by the Hurricane Officials at NOAA or whatever, but waited.
Laren	Yeah, military are very annoyed that rescue was called off because of hostile fire. Like they said, that is what they are trained for. They wanted to help, commanders said no.
McGrude	but evacuation causes its own problems.
Laren	So too dangerous in NO but Iraq is OK
vampiress	it's really easy to look back and say what would have been a better plan
Crispy`	Laren: Cause they can't shoot the people with the guns.
nec	apparently, a long time ago, when a hurricane was going to strike the railways would transport all evacuees.
Crispy`	Laren: NO is dealing with their own people though.
Chimi	iraq is weak. NO is hardk0re.
gentoo_junkie	anyone in this chat room down in new orleans ?
vampiress	kind of pointless now to bicker abou tit
Crispy`	They can't run in guns blazing into NO.
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Facade3	there were rapes there as well??? oh my god
MetsRallyNick	you dont have to look back, what is being done in the present is not acceptable
nec	too bad they don't do that anymore. It wouold have helped a lot of people
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MetsRallyNick	"At least two people, including a child, have been raped. At least three people have died, including one man who jumped 50 feet to his death, saying he had nothing left to live for." - LA Times
Laren	Don't need to return fire to rescue people.
Crispy`	If the government started shooting armed CIVILIANS in the middle of NO, do you know how WORSE that would make the situation in the long run?
Facade3	oh my god
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McGrude	Kent state all over again
Crispy`	Laren: Why would be purposefully put our people in danger?
nec	anyway, I gotta run for a bit - will be back
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Padathir	Heliox thanks
pussfeller	kent state kids were armed with flowers, not guns, doods
Crispy`	"I'm being shot at with real bullets, but I'll run in anyway to save some people, more than likely ones that are shooting at me"
vampiress	but why the hell are there armed civilians shooting at the resuerers
Wyld1	This is sounding like hell... forgive me if I'm asking a stupid question, but has there been any kind of GOOD news out of there?  at all?
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Alucard256	blame the only person who has the power to do what needed to be done when it need to happen.. his name is George W. B.
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Crispy`	Alucard256: You fail.
Laren	Any rescue is inherently dangerous. If they are willing to risk it, why stop them? Because of political considerations.
apollo48	mcgrude: what's this kent state thing you keep mentioning
oi_oi_saveloy	Looks like long-term the biggest problem could well be water table pollution
majik	Remember like 9 out of 10 sexual assults arn't reported and it has to be worse in places when theres noone to report it o
majik	to
mcsmurf	Wyld1: the water is not rising anymore? *shrug*
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Crispy`	Laren: No matter who is in office, they wouldn't shoot ANYONE with guns in NO.
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oi_oi_saveloy	Wyld1, the city was 80% emtpy
hoks	fags
hoks	thats bad
hoks	looters are just going wild
oi_oi_saveloy	Imagine if this were a sudden event, and it was full
majik	If the flood water is receding, what are they doing about the gas, feces, and bodies in it
Padathir	Even if it's a late response, people are headed there now
majik	how many more animals will die4
hoks	the 'rape' rumors and all
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Crispy`	majik: Animals are the least of our worries. :D
princessfroz	on the phone with my army friend
princessfroz	e-6
Crispy`	hoks: Rumors? It's reported as fact.
MaxxMonde	The water has got to be totally toxic by now, every shot of it I saw had a frickin rainbow of petrol in it.
majik	I'm saying that its going to spread
oi_oi_saveloy	A sudden event like a terrorist attack using WMD, for instance. Shocking thought given what DHS are supposed to have beenup to 4 years
Wyld1	Gods.  Thought I'd ask at least.
Padathir	majik: do you mean actual animals or humans that you want to describe as animals?
Arken	http://whitehouse.org/news/2005/images/katrina2b.jpg <-- Check out the caption. LOL
MetsRallyNick	the bible toters are now claiming it was God who broke the levee...sheesh
20:33	Padathir	not sarcastic
Crispy`	majik: Right now they want everyone out so they CAN deal with that problem.
majik	I am saying there are people in the city, but the water is spreading out too
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apollo48	metsrallynick: it was only a matter of time
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MaxxMonde	Physics broke the levee, sheesh.
MetsRallyNick	BUSH: DON'T BUY GAS IF YOU DON'T NEED IT - drudge report
Padathir	loller
vortexer	wait till bin laden claims this one
Crispy`	Bush is right.
Crispy`	Don't buy gas if you don't need it.
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Ksosez	wow genius
vortexer	'we sent suicide storm troppers for death to america'
vortexer	haha
majik	Jumped 60 cents overnight :(
Padathir	zing i was about to buy 5000 gallons
Arken	I've never bought gas if I didn't need it. I only buy it when I need it.
vampiress	it's like a madhouse her ein florida, people fighting at the gas pumps
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strangely_	so much for my gas collection
Ksosez	did he figure that out himself
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Wyld1	Okay.  Why try to flood Interdictor chat?  That one just makes no sense.
MetsRallyNick	"President George W. Bush said on Thursday looters in New Orleans and elsewhere in the chaotic aftermath of Hurricane Katrina should be treated with "zero tolerance" and urged Americans not to buy gasoline if they do not need it because of looming shortages." - Reuters
Ksosez	or did he have a team of monkies working on it
apollo48	great observation of the blatantly obvious
PxM	Our wacko religious leaders blamed the Asian tsunami on them being heathens.
Yarrbles	that probably just aggravated the problem
Crispy`	Ksosez: It's something that needed to be said.
Chimi	team? he had atleast 100 teams of monkeys.
oi_oi_saveloy	European reserves could well become involved
sikophant	gas shortage!!! end of civilization !!!!!
mcsmurf	BakudanIt's a shame that tcp/ip doesn't support the "Punch" packet
mcsmurf	:D
PxM	Bin Laden would probably do the same.
Crispy`	Cause people are buying excess gas for their own profit.
vortexer	PxM, i agree
oi_oi_saveloy	In which case I could be paying $10 a gallon
Kheirag	Bush's advice to the nation in times of crisis always seems to have something to do with how they should behave as consumers.
sikophant	Yeah...that's what happens when there's inflation
Yarrbles	people thought "If the president is telling me not to buy gas, it must be running out! I gotta go fill up my 500-gallon tank!"
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MaxxMonde	I haven't seen any true representation of overall reduction of capacity. Yes, damaged wells and hubs, but no stats on out of how many in the gulf are out.
Ksosez	100 monkies great...they probably could handle this better then the federal government right now
vortexer	in someways bin laden is very close to the rest of the religious heathens...
oi_oi_saveloy	Rather than the current 7-8
Crispy`	Man, you guys can take anything he says and turn it into him being unintelligent. :\
vortexer	no mattter how much they hate each other
mcsmurf	Crispy`: yeah http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050830/ids_photos_ts/r498314164.jpg o_O
MetsRallyNick	" Asked in an interview on ABC's "Good Morning America" if U.S. oil companies should forfeit profits during the crisis, Bush said instead American corporations should contribute cash to hurricane relief funds." - reuters
majik	Comeone comeall rebuy gas without the wait at the pump. The gas has to go so start a collection
Crispy`	mcsmurf: Exactly.
MetsRallyNick	oil companies make INSANE PROFITS
vortexer	Crispy`, he has given years of prep time for that reaction :)
Crispy`	Ksosez: You're amazing.
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PxM	Our wackos are already claiming that the hurricane was due to the gay festival that was supposed to take place soon.
Alucard256	ohh god.. he DOES have a 500Gal
Facade3	anyone know...why i cannot send messages in the #interdictor channel...it's like they've set a max to who can speak
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comppimp	jeesh
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BeanFriedPork	oi
sikophant	Facade3: it's moderated
comppimp	1,500 gallons
majik	+moderated facade
oi_oi_saveloy	Facade3, only select users can speak
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sikophant	you have to have a + next to your  name to speak
MaxxMonde	Facade3, yes. They only voice a few people.
Crispy`	Ksosez: I have nothing more to say to you, as your views are clearly that of an ignorant kind. I'm ignoring you to prohibit further flamebait.
oi_oi_saveloy	To keep chatter down
BeanFriedPork	yes, it's unfortunate
comppimp	$4,500 in gas
@kow|wk	#interdictor is supposed to be used for submitting news information
Padathir	ouch
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BeanFriedPork	Oh
PxM	http://www.repentamerica.com/pr_hurricanekatrina.html
Ksosez	PxM, ttell them it spared the french quarter where most of the gay population lived
BeanFriedPork	Dayum
Facade3	i see...so no matter what i do...i have no voice in that channel...yes...
mcsmurf	comppimp: i wonder if the people after him killed him after that photo ;D
@kow|wk	If you want to chat, do that here.
majik	they can probly sell the 4500 in gas for 6000
oi_oi_saveloy	644 users in there
Facade3	o.k..i see
Ksosez	Crispy`, im sorry did you say something?
MaxxMonde	Guys, the long term implications...how much of NO is really viable right now? Just the dry parts (if any)?
Facade3	thanks
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vortexer	PxM, that was quick
BrandonF	quick question, how do you disable the join and leave alerts for #interdictor-scanner?
MetsRallyNick	"n the interview, Bush defended his own decision to wait until Wednesday to return to Washington and cut short by a couple of days a four-week working vacation at his Texas ranch. Now is not a time to play politics, he said to Democratic critics."
@kow|wk	If you have news information from an independent news source, message someone with an @ next to their name.
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oi_oi_saveloy	BrandonF, what program?
Yarrbles	aren't uptown, the garden district and the FQ still above water?
BrandonF	mIRC
PxM	Stupidity works at the speed of light, vortexer
MaxxMonde	FQ I heard for sure, yes.
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hoks	<BrandonF>
majik	Kow: How much fake news do you get people trying to sell you?
hoks	ask in interdictor-tech
majik	er send
oi_oi_saveloy	Tools > Options
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oi_oi_saveloy	In there somewhere
hoks	dont seem to work here too ...
Mah_Skywarn	right click the tab
WeyrNet-James	Is anyone recording this, do you know?
mcsmurf	Yarrbles: the district where the webcam is is above water ;)
hoks	guess i need to restart my mirc
oi_oi_saveloy	Or the little icon top left
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sikophant	what's the address for the wiki??
CompWizrd	someone could drop a note that the webcam is pretty much dark now, hard to see the road anymore.
Mah_Skywarn	and select events
@kow|wk	majik: it doesn't really get to me so I don't know, but we don't usually authenticate anything without a url or some corroboration, so most people don't even try :)
McGrude	http://wiki.nola-intel.org/index.php/Main_Page
MetsRallyNick	the supervising medic in NO is on Fox News
danknerd	hahaha.. i love when the president trys to talk "It's devastating. It's got to be doubly devastating on the ground," Bush said.
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sikophant	thanks
Crispy`	I'm a christian but the bible thumpers need to just shut up already.
BenZApple	Anyone here have stairs in their house?
oi_oi_saveloy	www.nola-intel.org
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MaxxMonde	From what I could gather the cam was supposed to be more effective in lower light. Or that could've been another feed.
MaxxMonde	Not sure.
MaxxMonde	Perhaps another sensor.
Crispy`	danknerd: How is that awkward or stupid?
MetsRallyNick	"Police say storm victims being raped, beaten inside Convention Center... " - wwltv.com
20:38	Yarrbles	is protected
strangely_	so dying of dehydration is twice as bad as flying in a private jet
socket7	Crispy` I've dubbed a new term for them They aren't christians, they're Christlams
Wyld1	Hey, here's one.  I haven't had the chance to go through all of the Interdictor blog, but it seemed like the person who's writing that is military, NG, or some such.  Has anyone seen anything saying they are or are not?
socket7	they're just as bad as the islamic fundamentalists
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Crispy`	socket7: That DEFINITLY works!
danknerd	Crispy: Doubly Devastating.. sounds like a 5 year old
oi_oi_saveloy	Wyld1, ex-forces
Facade3	what is this stream showing
oi_oi_saveloy	Crisis manager
MaxxMonde	Wyld1, he has military training, it seems.
Facade3	looks like a box
MaxxMonde	ah yes.
Laren	They are cowards and hypocrites.
Wyld1	Ah.  Thanks.
mcsmurf	MaxxMonde: heh i guess these are the servers you see now on the cam ;)
CompWizrd	MaxxMonde: some of the problem is backlighting from the reflection
Crispy`	danknerd: Who cares? You understood him, correct?
mcsmurf	or a few
Mah_Skywarn	the y guy was in the Army
vampiress	nothing like a natural disater to spur the god fea rmongers
vampiress	fear
20:39		mode/#interdictor-chat [+o Nox_] by michaelloftis
Yarrbles	I think Fred Phelps is going to come out one day and say "I was just kidding folks! Wasn't that a great parody?"
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MaxxMonde	CompWizrd, thanks I see.
MaxxMonde	mcsmurf, heh ok I wasn't sure.
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CompWizrd	my 3com POS is supposed to be good at one candlepower of light. not that i believe it :)
enwilson	Yarrbles: will he take of the mask and become ANDY KAUFFMAN?
20:40		mode/#interdictor-chat [+b *!*@17.86.43.115] by Amish_Hooker
LordAlpha	are there any low-bandwidth video feeds?
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majik	Fred Phelps is fucking crazy
mcsmurf	MaxxMonde: but the fotos on the blog showed much more servers, but i think they turned some off  to save bandwidth and power
Yarrbles	hahaha yeah
CompWizrd	cam is moving right now
Yarrbles	I GOT YOU GUYS GOOD
enwilson	DENK YOU VEDDY MUCH
majik	link to cam mirror plz
MaxxMonde	If the social situation wasn't so screwed, I'd drive down there myself with a few hundred pizzas and drums of water.
McGrude	what happened to the camera
MetsRallyNick	they tried to gouge prices on gas in atlanta
danknerd	Crispy: I jsut think its funny when he trys to talk... sue me
pussfeller	fox just said 100 thugs with guns were waiting for the copters dropping off releif supplies....
BeanFriedPork	Fred Phelps: professional real life troll.
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danknerd	not that i can
wemmi	what time is on there
pussfeller	thats freaken nuts
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Crispy`	danknerd: In today's society, why not? :P
apollo48	they just appear to be moving the cam
TheCheeks	does anyone have a .rar with EVERY photo from the site?
CompWizrd	TheCheeks: there was a bittorrent going around with a 500 meg .tar.gz at one point
Alucard256	the cam hasn't moved much
MaxxMonde	TheCheeks, someone has to - they were talking about mirroring before.
Alucard256	it's just dark out now
Alucard256	all you can see is the reflection of the room inside
MaxxMonde	Ah CompWizrd for the win :)
TheCheeks	i tried a mirror program, didnt load the high res photos
MetsRallyNick	5.87 a gallon in atlanta before they stepped in
ColloquySucks	http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050901/capt.ladm11609012342.hurricane_katrina__ladm116.jpg?x=380&y=272&sig=RNMVRODjatOgco73m7I4SA--
TheCheeks	if you know the torrent link, PM me pleeease
BeanFriedPork	Seriously, the Westboro Baptist Church's is funded almost entirely through lawsuits won from assaults on their members. Fred Phelps has 11 lawyers on retainer. Nonetheless, he may have bitten off more than he can chew here.
CompWizrd	i left mine seeding
pussfeller	you ever consider that maybe fred phelps is really a left wing activist....
sikophant	price controls don't work
TheCheeks	got a torrent lik?
20:42		mode/#interdictor-chat [-b *!*@17.86.43.115] by Amish_Hooker
Yarrbles	make the repubs look crazy?
CompWizrd	gimme a sec ,looking for torrent
SW-Ray	http://mirror1.ev1helps.net/ has the images
Heliox	anyone know a good FreeBSD/linux program for mirroing the audio stream?
MetsRallyNick	congress needs to clamp down on the oil companies profits during this crisis
pussfeller	the fbi did things like that against the anti-war movements
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oi_oi_saveloy	Heliox, try searching Sourceforge
Yarrbles	kind of like truth.com is a hidden tool of the tobacco company
MetsRallyNick	they gave nixon the ability to do it
jufineath	anyone able to watch video stream on linux?
Excedrin	Heliox: streamripper
hoks	Oh, Al Sharpton on MSNBC right now
BenZApple	Anyone know what 5.87/gal works out at at AUD C/PL
SW-Ray	Heliox: you can just use shoutcast, there is a setting in the config to re-broadcast a stream
BeanFriedPork	I hope Fred Phelps goes down to the New Orleans area and protests, and he and his nutcase followers get their heads bashed in by an angry mob
hoks	.........
Padathir	the announcer on cspan sounds amused and chipper
BenZApple	or even USD Cpl
jufineath	mplayer seems unable to decode
oi_oi_saveloy	BenZApple, XE.com
princessfroz	i wonder what thats about
princessfroz	on the feed
MagiusMoo	I like Al Sharpton.
BenZApple	but tha involves gallons to litres and shit
BenZApple	its hard :(
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skep	pickup babies...
skep	argh
oi_oi_saveloy	gallon - 4.54 litres
socket7	multible babies
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@htoucles	Amish_Hooker: ping
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sikophant	gallon is 3.75 liters
CompWizrd	3.79somethingL to the gallon if it's an american gallon
BeanFriedPork	Pussfeller: actually, that thought has occured to me, but he must be really dedicated to beat his own children and wife just to help create a backlash
oi_oi_saveloy	US gallon, I suppose
tamara_	buh, 18 babies
Facade3	pelican base is not responding
oi_oi_saveloy	Forgot about that
sikophant	454 is grams in a pound
BenZApple	im lost :/
oi_oi_saveloy	You crazy Imperials
John_K	is there anyone who would like to add more galleries/pictures to a mirror of interdictor's pictures?
MaxxMonde	How many rods to a hogshead? Kiddin.
oi_oi_saveloy	4.54 litres in a proper Gallon
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BenZApple	Ok. so how much per litre?
John_K	figure it could be a central place for katrina pics if some people wanted to help maintain it
BeanFriedPork	Liters are the tool of the devil!!!
oi_oi_saveloy	No idea =)
sikophant	MetsRallyNick: if you put a price control then there's nothing to buy
MetsRallyNick	o'reiley for once is getting to the heart of the matter right now
@crschmidt	can you get priority delivery on babies?
Yarrbles	a liter of water weighs one kilogram
sikophant	would you rather have oil at $10 or no oil at $5?
BeanFriedPork	Actually, I think a gallon is actually less than four liter
BeanFriedPork	s
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MetsRallyNick	he is going after jerry taylor on why cant the oil companies cut profits
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princessfroz	yay!
@crschmidt	BeanFriedPork: just slightly
princessfroz	get the babies out
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Yarrbles	and it's also 1000 cubic centimeters
mcsmurf	3,2 liters or so?
John_K	a US gallon is 4.54 litres
Facade3	wow 18 babies
sikophant	US galon is 3.75 liters
sikophant	3.78
Alucard256	hope they get the gas they need for baby convoy
Baylink	nice dark boxes on the webcam
Facade3	is any one elses feed going black
sikophant	go to google and type in GALLON
John_K	actualyl yeah you're right according to google
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Alucard256	yeh.. tryin to read the boxes
Alucard256	oooooo.. cam movement!
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princessfroz	well that sounds scary
Baylink	Are there IP addresses on stickers on there?
McGrude	he's in his socks
apollo48	looks like some cisco router boxes
pussfeller	oil companies volunjtarily dropping prices 20% would not automatically lead to shortages
BenZApple	so how many USD per gallons :p
CompWizrd	1 US gallon = 3.7854118 liter
chbarrett	arrgh
princessfroz	no flight over the city during darkness
tamara_	shit shit
Alucard256	a girl!?!?
vampiress	how crazy, i was just parked in that building a month ago on poydras, those pictures are crazy
Alucard256	on cam
tamara_	my natlguard feed just died
tamara_	NEW URL PLZ
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CompWizrd	right from google calculator
sikophant	pussfeller, yes it would
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John_K	US gallon = 3.75, gallon = 4.54
MaxxMonde	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SI <-- Base units for conversions, etc. :)
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Huntster	5.87 (U.S. dollars per US gallon) = 2.07256073 Australian dollars per liter
sikophant	pussfeller because people would buy gas and there wouldn't be any to sell
Alucard256	hehhehehhehe girl on cam
Facade3	so did mine...my feed died
Alucard256	girl on cam
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Alucard256	hehehe
Laren	Petrol is up to $1.60  a litre here in Oz
apollo48	tamara_: easy now
TheCheeks	IF YOU HAVE THE TORRENT LINK FOR ALL PHOTOS, PLEASE PM ME
Yarrbles	Where is the hosting? West of the FQ near St. Charles?
oi_oi_saveloy	So I pay about 8 dollar a US gallon
sikophant	pussfeller, the reason prices are rising is because the supply of gas is constricted
Alucard256	looks like shes shy
mcsmurf	heh
tamara_	apollo48: NO I'LL CRY
20:46	BeanFriedPork	looks at a bottle of soda lying around. 1 liter = 33.8 oz. 1 gallon = 128 oz. 128/33.8 = 3.81 liters per gallon.
oi_oi_saveloy	I get by
oi_oi_saveloy	Get used to it
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Facade3	locating new feed
princessfroz	dammit
princessfroz	mine did too
MaxxMonde	Theres a difference in price volatility versus long-term constriction. But we seem to have both, here.
MetsRallyNick	sikophant we are talking about clamping PROFITS not supply
John_K	TheCheeks: all of the photos are posted at http://katrina.kelley.ca if you want to look at them
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pussfeller	sikophant: yes thats true, but it wouldnt mean shortages once the supply issue is fixed, which they are close too
Flayer	Anyone know why something awful is down, while zipa and the likes are fine?
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oi_oi_saveloy	If you clamp profits then they lose the incentive to explore as vigourously
MetsRallyNick	we dont want to make the gas cheaper, we want the oil companies to CUT THEIR PROFIT MARGIN
apollo48	tamara_: well there certainly doesn't need to be anymore suffering.  hopefully you can get that squared away
CompWizrd	flayer: shut down due to too much traffic
Yarrbles	gasoline is a pretty inelastic good, too
douglas_carmicha	flayer>bandwidth..
oi_oi_saveloy	Thus crimping supply
CompWizrd	since some of their oc3's are offline
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Jerub	Flayer: they took SA down because it used too much bandwidth.
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Huntster	google is great for converions.  just use a simple phrase:  5.87 dollars per gallon in AUD per liter.
Flayer	:( thanks though
Burke	Hmmm
mcsmurf	it's a wonder that one OC3 line actually working at all ;)
oi_oi_saveloy	What's AUD?
BeanFriedPork	$1.60 * 3.81 = $6.096
sikophant	if they can fix the supply then prices will come down anyway
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Huntster	australian dollar
WeyrNet-James	damnit, did etherkiller just did?
oi_oi_saveloy	Aus dollars?
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oi_oi_saveloy	Right
WeyrNet-James	die even
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MetsRallyNick	they will explore just as vigoriously because they MAKE INSANE PROFITS after this crisis is over
tamara_	apollo48: sorted, also honey garlic wings done marinating and now in the oven, yr concern appreciated!
BeanFriedPork	Australian Dollars = AUD
pussfeller	sikophant: maybe
princessfroz	http://ve3nsv.no-ip.org:8000/canwarnlive
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sikophant	they won't make insane profits
princessfroz	feed ^
Huntster	can do that with virtually any currency.  i think you can spell out australian dollar as well instaed of AUD.
SimonPhotography	I would like employement in the disaster area, can bring fuel/supplies.  Contact me please.
sikophant	they are spending insane amounts of money to fix the damage
LordAlpha	are there any low-bandwidth video feeds?
BeanFriedPork	Oil has always been more expensive in most of the World than it is in the U.S.
sikophant	they lost money
MetsRallyNick	they make insane profits right now
vortexer	s there a website listing the police scanners
MetsRallyNick	they always have
MetsRallyNick	they always will
Facade3	can't get through
Padathir	oh joy now we have carpet-bagging
sikophant	they are making money on sales but losing them on repairs
pussfeller	if oil compainyes are making increased profits around the board, then much of the increase in price isnt necesaily related to supply
BeanFriedPork	Although in the middle east, oil at a gas station generally costs a pittance
Huntster	hey, what about everyone move to venezuela, where gass is US$0.17 per gallon :)
Huntster	:/
oi_oi_saveloy	0.989 (British pounds per litre) = 6.69536233 U.S. dollars per US gallon
oi_oi_saveloy	Cool
pussfeller	because sales havent increased, only price
MetsRallyNick	nice
sikophant	if you put a limit on prices then they won't have as much money to fix the damage
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BenZApple	oi_oi_saveloy, so whats that in AUD?
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princessfroz	http://www.fema.gov/onp/faat.shtm
MetsRallyNick	siko, do you understand the concept of a profit?
BeanFriedPork	I don't know that oil companies are making increases profits. That may or may not be true. The big problem is that the World's reserves are starting to wane.
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McGrude	take care all
oi_oi_saveloy	8.9 per gallon
socket7	sikophant: oh, then they'll just have to dip into their billion dollar profits
MaxxMonde	http://www.xe.com <-- currency rates, informational.
GodSwitch	What's the bloody cam ural?
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MetsRallyNick	PROFIT is after you have payed your expenses, which include what you are talking about
oi_oi_saveloy	2.35 in litres
GodSwitch	URL?
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Alucard256	LSP Baton Rouge - http://www.radioreference.com:8080/lspbtr     <-- dual scanner audio
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Jerub	http://www.google.com/search?q=5.87+dollars+per+gallon+in+AUD+per+liter
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sikophant	MetsRallyNick, i private messaged you
@crschmidt	being peercast from http://wiki.nola-intel.org/index.php/Radio_Info
sikophant	how do you know their profits are up??
SimonPhotography	I would like employement in the disaster area, can bring fuel/supplies.  Contact me please.
mcsmurf	1,3 (Euros per liter) = 6,02039463 U.S. dollars per US gallon
MetsRallyNick	i cant receive private msgs
apollo48	godswitch: http://old.mises.org:88/NO2
mcsmurf	heh nice feature
MetsRallyNick	siko, google it
sikophant	MetsRallyNick, are you sure? check the open windows
Wyld1	what does dual scanner audio mean?
MetsRallyNick	its common knowledge
Huntster	i'm quite happy gas in TN is still just hovering around 2.80 per gallon.
MaxxMonde	SimonPhotography, perhaps join interdictor-chat and PM an op?
MaxxMonde	sorry I mean the main channel, minus chat.
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oi_oi_saveloy	SimonPhotography is looking for paid employment
GodSwitch	apollo48: thanks. preciate it
sikophant	MetsRallyNick, they can't have figures for profits.  the hurricane just happened. they report profites quarterly
chbarrett	hm
GodSwitch	lessee if it'll work
MaxxMonde	ah paid..hm
apollo48	huntster: i'm comin' to tn to get some gas
acidstars	2.80? argh.
SimonPhotography	I need only enough payment to make it there and back, I can't afford to volunteer
Padathir	He already tried the main channel, they told him he was not useful
20:51	GodSwitch	prolly needs to get a real IRC client.....
sikophant	price controls have NEVER worked
Padathir	He's just carpet bagging.
MaxxMonde	Padathir, understood.
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MetsRallyNick	siko, they have been making insane profits for decades
sikophant	all the economists agree they do more damage than they fix
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SimonPhotography	BS, nothing wrong with my trying to help
krystal	ok
krystal	so
Barrotes	hi
acidstars	altho 2.80 is much better than the $7 that station in decatur, ga was charging the other day
Insder	I miss anything interesting on the scanners?
krystal	i tried to message Michael on icq
Yarrbles	don't worry everyone, the invisible hand will fix everything!
MaxxMonde	God just like that story "Heavy Weather" the people who go to storm areas to pretend to be official and participate, but they're really just feeding off of feeling important.
krystal	I take it, its not going to happen
MaxxMonde	How prescient.
tamara_	insider: evacuating 18 babies!
sikophant	MetsRallyNick, you are also forgetting about gas station operators who barely make any profit
tamara_	(i find this terribly exciting)
Insder	Has fuel3 returned?!
sikophant	MetsRallyNick, price controls will hurt them
Huntster	apollo, indeed.  it varies across the state.  i've seen prices in nashville at 2.59 even.  course, just a few miles south of me, a truck stop has unleaded at 3.29...
CompWizrd	http://media.ofdoom.com:8080/movies/katrina.tar.gz.torrent
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MetsRallyNick	siko, they make their money per gallon
CompWizrd	there, found the bittorrent host for the katrina pics
oi_oi_saveloy	Petrol stations in the UK make much more mney on the shops than on the petrol
MetsRallyNick	it doesnt matter how much of a profit the oil companies make
pussfeller	now price controls will lead to shortages for sure
tamara_	i hold confidence in my heart that fuel3 will be helping evac the infants. he's that kindof man.
Huntster	ah, this LSP audio feed is fantastic.
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mcsmurf	oi_oi_saveloy: but somehow they still trick us around here, in Germany the price went up ~8 to 10 euro cents, in the Czech Republic next to us it went up ~2 euro cents
Yarrbles	Gas in Raleigh NC was 3.50 this morning, and 3.20 this evening. Same station.
hoks	what is that torrent CompWiz
apollo48	tamara_: i'm sure he's on it
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SimonPhotography	God people, how would my bringing 300 gallons of fuel AT MY COST be a bad thing?
Jerub	in australia, they make something like 1 cent a liter on petrol, and have really expensive snack food that they use to make money from.
Larikun	Gas in Atlanta will make you want to die...
oi_oi_saveloy	mcsmurf, but they have to drive Skoda Favorits ;)
Huntster	Yarrbles, perhaps indicating oil flow is increasing to states?
pinkish	Nox?
CompWizrd	hoks: someone did a 500 .tar.gz of the katrina storm pictures
apollo48	larikun: what's it looking like now
Yarrbles	I think it's mostly recovering from the panic yesterday.
Facade3	so there is no electricty in the city currently???
MaxxMonde	SimonPhotography, I don't know man...just it seems that they'd be hard pressed to actually pay I guess, trying to survive and all.
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mcsmurf	oi_oi_saveloy: heh, many people over here just drive to Czechia to get gas...
Larikun	dropped a bit, but was at 5.70 earlier
Yarrbles	People saw the footage of the gouging in ATL, thought it would happen to them, and there was a run on the bank, so to speak
mcsmurf	who live somewhere near the border
apollo48	ridiculous
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SimonPhotography	I didn't say i needed cash on the spot, I just can't afford to go down there on my own.  Once my trip is covered, I can stay weeks for free
MetsRallyNick	http://www.alaskagasprices.com/
WeyrNet-James	There we go, fixed my stream
@chbarrett	dan koshen, mister b
apollo48	mcsmurf: what border?
oi_oi_saveloy	Yeah, I get all my wine  from Calais for the same reason
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tamara_	apollo48: srsly, added him as an lj interest.
Facade3	so is there any electricty in the city.......at night
MaxxMonde	I have no answer for that SimonPhotography..*shrugs*
sikophant	ok, to discuss oil and gas prices and stuff go to channel #oilprices
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Yarrbles	I'm sure there's some profiteering going on, but most of it is due to temporary shortages
@chbarrett	heh
mcsmurf	apollo48: heh ;) within Europe (Germany, Czechia)
Alucard256	god.. i never thought about how much worse it would be at night
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krystal	I dont understand
krystal	how are they online
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Alucard256	at least it's not freezing
@chbarrett	#interdictor-oilprices ;)
krystal	if theres no electricity?
Facade3	right....night...how is it at night....
mcsmurf	apollo48: here gas 1,30EUR/liter, over there 1EUR/liter roughly
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Facade3	right....
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kampf	krystal: diesel generator
Alucard256	krystal: the building has it's own generator
krystal	ekkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
apollo48	hmmm. . . right
MaxxMonde	are animals a true hazard, or does the oil and god-knows-what-else-filled water keep them away from things?
krystal	Alright
Alucard256	hehhehe
krystal	gotcha
MaxxMonde	Mostly crocs, I mean.
sikophant	yeah..what hapenned to all the fire ants
oi_oi_saveloy	MaxxMonde, where would they go?
DLoken	So what are you guys armed with in the building?
krystal	has there been any problems with looting in the building they are in?
Wyld1	I just wish I could do something to HELP.  I'm sitting in Houston right now, worried and nervous.
MaxxMonde	oi_oi_saveloy, I suppose, I just haven't heard much about it.
Yarrbles	the oil slick broke up their balls of death!
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CompWizrd	could someone level the camera so it doesn't look like you've setup a noc in the tower of pisa? :P
Hermitty	http://www.livejournal.com/users/bbcnewsworld/8249354.html
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BeanFriedPork	Alaska accounts for a large portion of North America's total oil production. It's not surprising oil would be relativel affordable there, even if everything else in Alaska generally costs a lot more than in the lower 48.
krystal	has there been any problems with looting in the building they are in?
DLoken	what camera?
fitzzz	url plz
Padathir	DLokenL: "3) I am not giving specifics about the number of people here or our supplies or our weapons/ammo status or any other sensitive info like that which could pose a security risk. At this point, I think it's safer this way."
yeoj	so i think i'm driving down to new orleans tomorrow to help move sandbags and setup places for people to stay.. anyone got ideas of if anything will be getting better this weekend?
Yarrbles	Does Alaska have its own refineries?
Facade3	my camera goes black every 10 mins or so
krystal	the webcam
krystal	thats online
Facade3	then i have to reset
krystal	I have to close and reopen
krystal	all I see now
Facade3	is this the case....
Facade3	o.k...
krystal	is a head with a hat on
DLoken	Well, I certainly hope they have more than one handgun.
WeyrNet-James	So, can any of the ops tell me if we've got a stream being recorded?
SimonPhotography	Padathir, are you in NO?
MaxxMonde	yeoj, I don't know if that is wise alone.
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fitzzz	url plz
fitzzz	url plz
fitzzz	for the cam
yeoj	MaxxMonde, i'm going with 2 buddys
nec	yeoj, I do not believe they ar letting anyone in
Garthnak	fitzzz: It's at the top of interdictor's blog, dude.
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yeoj	and i've got somewhere to stay in batton rougue saturday night
Garthnak	fitzzz: Get it yourself
krystal	voice me in #inderdictor please please :)
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krystal	1 sec
Yarrbles	That whole Zipa story is like something out of a Cory Doctorow novel
BeanFriedPork	I don't know that the crap in the water is really going to unnerve snakes and gators, considering some of the shit they swi through in a typical swamp, but if animal attacks had become a real problem now, I think we'd've heard about if by now.
Insder	That large person is blocking piece of the camera
fitzzz	i know the wiki, no blog
yeoj	then i'll go to mississippi and help there
MaxxMonde	yeoj, its tempting, sure, and you want to help....but.....good lord man, the military hasn't even straightened it out yet.
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BeanFriedPork	well, the military just got there
Garthnak	So has MDK's fiance put on cam shows yet, or what?
Mah_Skywarn	i heard rats were eating a body
Garthnak	Fun.
yeoj	it'll be a fun ride and get me away from the computer for 3 days
BeanFriedPork	It'll take them at least a few days.
yeoj	it'll be worth it.
DLoken	What is the link to this camera?
Garthnak	DLoken: At the top of the blog.
Facade3	http://old.mises.org:88/NO2
@michaelloftis	please refrain from personal attacks and rudness ok?  lets keep it civil in here!  thank you!
krystal	http://old.mises.org:88/NO2
krystal	oops
krystal	beat me to it
krystal	:D
Facade3	:)
Insder	MDK=?
@michaelloftis	rudeness :) yes my spelling sucks ;)
SimonPhotography	need a contact -anyone- in NO or surroudning area.
MaxxMonde	OMGBBQ
Mah_Skywarn	di you hear about the head of FEMA saying he did not know about the convention center untill today
MaxxMonde	:)
Facade3	i copied it in my wmp
nec	best thing to do is try to volunteer at the Red Cross. Apparently they aren't letting people in randomly, though. Not sure why. Only peopl;e that have previously had disaster training and CPR?First Aid training through them
Facade3	so it would refresh without me having to do it manually
MagiusMoo	Hmm... maybe they should reduce to bit rate of the web cam, no?
apollo48	mah_skywarn: almost impossible for me to believe. . .
@chbarrett	nec: People who don't know what they are doing can be a problem, actually.
oi_oi_saveloy	MagiusMoo, I think there's a spare byte or two
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@kow|wk	i don't believe bitrate on webcam is a major problem because the feed is rehosted elsewhere
@chbarrett	If they panic and don't have trainig, they can cause problems.
Mah_Skywarn	he said it live on CNN
krystal	chbarrett
SimonPhotography	agreed, people who jsut show up are a problem
socket7	nec: because if the let people in randomly it would do more harm then good
krystal	or michaelloftis
djspark	I used to work with bell in downtown, has anyone tried to setup a wifi link with them (less power, only needs line of sight)
mcsmurf	MagiusMoo: i think it doesn't matter since they only upstream it to one server or two
krystal	is there no way to get voiced?
@chbarrett	That is just my theory though.
mcsmurf	which re-distribute
yeoj	ima go help a buddy of mine who's a boy scout leader, he said they definitely are requesting people and asked me to come .. so i'm not too worried, i'm sure i'll be able to contribute a little
MagiusMoo	ok
@chbarrett	krystal: in main channel?
Alucard256	Mah_Skywarn: yeh, what the fuck??  he not get CNN??
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krystal	yes .
nec	well, yes, but the Red Cross offers disaster training. I took it there 4 years ago
@chbarrett	if you're posting goood news
@chbarrett	you'll get voiced.
krystal	oh..
acidstars	has anyone been watching msnbc? did somebody official try claim everything at the convention center had been under control
krystal	I dont have news, I have questions.
tamara_	as in 'new' news.
krystal	or
Crispy`	My friend was on Helicopters in the effected cities yesturday setting up WLANs for the cities to communicate with.
krystal	I can post the naked pics
krystal	you all wanted
krystal	hehe
tamara_	not like "oh shit, new orleans isn't actually flooded"
nec	I don't see why they wouldn't be willing to offer it still.
krystal	:)
BeanFriedPork	They just requested forward air support units on the scanner. I assume to drop equipment.v
tamara_	YES POST THOSE
Crispy`	He said it was pandemonium.
krystal	but not of me
MaxxMonde	Good lord krystal!
MaxxMonde	haha.
krystal	hah
krystal	only trying to help
krystal	:)
@michaelloftis	krystal: jsut fire away at the mod/sops, if you're doign good, they'll voice you :)
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Larikun	heh, IRC is startin to crash my explorer... so many people in here
krystal	hah
tamara_	... explorer?
krystal	I posted my pic
@chbarrett	heh
krystal	apparently that wasnt enough michaelloftis
CompWizrd	tamara_: it's the new mirc!
Crispy`	krystal = who?
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MaxxMonde	Wrong channel krystal - go to interdictor-hookups :)
krystal	hah
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krystal	no no
@chbarrett	#interdictor-dating-service
MaxxMonde	har.
Facade3	michael loftis...if you are the author of interdictor blog.....right on man......this is an incredible account of everything that has happened since the Katrina hit.....i am amazed at what is taking place....it's very upsetting as well.
tamara_	oh god, like cgi::irc ?
krystal	just have questions
BeanFriedPork	say, anyone else ever seen 'The Day After'?
Crispy`	THE Crystal?
krystal	abd what not
tamara_	I CRIE.
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Alucard256	yeh.. or ID4
Encapsulate	Holt Cemetary is underwater :(
krystal	I have my own channel
@michaelloftis	krystal: sorry, i haven't seen anything heh. :)  i'm soooo busy doing liason efforts/etc and my normal day job it's...a  little stressing.
krystal	btw
Crispy`	I thought it was with a C, not a K. :\ Whatever. :P
krystal	but its not on here
krystal	its on
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krystal	irc.enterthegame.com
krystal	;)
krystal	#krystal
@chbarrett	heh
@chbarrett	I'm on etg.
krystal	its hopin too
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McGrude	Michael you are the man !
Facade3	jeeze..the cemetary
@kow|wk	Facade3: The author of interdictor blog isn't in any of these channels.
@michaelloftis	Facade3: lol, no, but he is a mike... burnett IIRC, no affiliaition with me, the guy probably has no iddea i'm alive :)
mcsmurf	ok bye guys, it's already 3am... *sigh*
BeanFriedPork	well, 'Independence Day' isn't exactly a film grounded in any realism, even aside from the aliens.
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Facade3	oh....
@chbarrett	barnett
krystal	http://fraggirl.q3machines.net/index.html
Jerub	he's been in a few timees.
Facade3	oh....o.k....michal..... :)
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Jerub	but he's also quite busy.
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@michaelloftis	no people i'm not the man, thank you though for the flattery LOL
tamara_	difft krystal, i think. not crystal.
krystal	what?
Facade3	well this was posted on his livejournal...
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Me2NiK	It's interesting that you refer to this person as the man. =\
krystal	I am just Krystal
Facade3	that's how i found the place :)
Alucard256	BeanFriedPork: just the idea of everyone beind commoners.. everyone needing help..  everyone helpless
Crispy`	Oh, ok.
McGrude	how's your office holding up? how many are there/
dionysius	who does interdictor work for?
Alucard256	beind = becomeing
Jerub	http://www.vanadac.com/~dajhorn/novelties/quotes/Nindalf.txt
niku_	so how's the weather
Jerub	interesting perspective on disaster.
Facade3	who is on the live feed?
GodSwitch	Presumably our hero
nec	Interdictor has an ISP company there I believe
krystal	http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/9241/krystal8ft.jpg
niku_	teh quality of this live feed is staggering by the way
krystal	that one needs to be on my site
krystal	its new
krystal	I am just too lazy to log in
krystal	and post it
krystal	:(
SimonPhotography	I would like employment in the disaster area, can bring fuel/supplies.  Contact me please.
raindogx	krystal....url?
krystal	to what?
BenZApple	krystal, ok, yeah, ;p nice.
krystal	my site?
krystal	http://fraggirl.q3machines.net/index.html
WeyrNet-James	Can anyone tell me if the stream is being recorded?
krystal	:D
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MaxxMonde	0.o
raindogx	ah...oops...ment niku_
danknerd	Would anyone leave there pets behind??
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krystal	I must pee
krystal	BRB
nec	tmi
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Ksosez	larry king worst journalist ever
Yarrbles	If I had to swim out of my house I don't think I'd let my cat cling to my scalp
Yarrbles	and rescue helicopters wouldn't take animals
comppimp	mob on left cha of dual scanner
Crispy`	Whoa
niku_	thsi si crazy
Crispy`	Wait..
Alucard256	hhehhe..  i'm not only one watchin Larry?
comppimp	chan*
niku_	i can actually watch this guy's TV
Mah_Skywarn	Larry King is fine
niku_	trhough the webcam
princessfroz	feed link?
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princessfroz	cp
Crispy`	Mob is going to Monsanto plant?
Crispy`	Was that just on the scanner?
Facade3	Mob heading towards moanto plant
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comppimp	yup
Facade3	mosanto...i mean
JDigital	What's an ATC?
Facade3	employees trying to dial 911
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Crispy`	Oh, that's not good.
McGrude	ATC == air traffic control?
JDigital	ah.
Huntster	air traffic control, normally.
Ksosez	he should have nailed him about the people who couldnt leave
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Alucard256	though Larry looks like the Joker tonight..  green on purple
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BeanFriedPork	Yarbles: bullshit. I would stuff my cat down my shirt if I had too.
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Frungy	Facade3: those fuckers deserve it, they developed agent orange
Facade3	heh
Facade3	well...
Kheirag	Looting Monstanto is justified, flood or not.
danknerd	I just couldnt leave my dog behind.. she is a person to me.. the thought of knowing her last thoughts were of me abandoning her is too much.. i know people are important, more important but animals deserver respect too
Alucard256	yeh.. Larry almost never follows up.. just moves to the next question
Yarrbles	Anyone else noticing a big lack of live footage from this? Think it's because all the satellite trucks had to be evacuated or ran out of gas?
Facade3	poetic justice i guess...but really
BeanFriedPork	And rescue copters _DO_ take animals if they are attached to a human, as explained to me by someone whose family took their dogs out by helicopter
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Ksosez	Alucard256, even the girl before him asked like one hard question
krystal	Ok
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krystal	so
Laren	Martial law = no reporters
Huntster	if it came down to me being able to get out or not, the pet would just (unfortunately) have to find another way out.
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krystal	how many people in the office bulding?!
Facade3	hell no...reporters are not going to be involved with that shite
oi_oi_saveloy	BBC had a good reort from within the city
oi_oi_saveloy	Lots of filth
McGrude	Martial Law == no civil rights.
Ksosez	oi_oi_saveloy, link?
Yarrbles	is that company policy? Insurance issues?
Alucard256	she is better
oi_oi_saveloy	And people begging for help
SimonPhotography	I would like employment in the disaster area, can bring fuel/supplies.  Contact me please.
Jerub	ot
oi_oi_saveloy	News24 channel Ksosez
Jerub	as explained before, it's not matrial law, it's a state of emergency.
Bad_Magic	marshal law hasnt been declared last i chcked
Facade3	employees trying to call 911 but there is no answer
krystal	see
Bad_Magic	the governor is still in charge
nec	SimonPhotography, contact the Red Cross for that  - probably your best bet
Jerub